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Fire service in anti-war poppy gaffe

Last updated at 11:40am on 07.11.07

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The London Fire Brigade has apologised after issuing invitations to its Remembrance Day service featuring the anti-war white poppy.

The brigade had been accused of "political correctness" for using the white emblem instead of the traditional red poppy of the Royal British Legion.

But the organisation said a blunder by its design team was to blame and denied staff with Left-wing sympathies had attempted to hijack the event.

Fire commissioner Ron Dobson is known to be furious at the mistake. About 100 invitations were sent to VIPs.


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As a church minister, and a former Army Chaplain, I find Remembrance Day a difficult and emotional time. I have to be professional as I conduct services, but also have my own personal memories of soliders and friends lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I wear the Red Poppy to Remember the sacrifice of all who died past and present, and I fervently hope for a future where such sacrifice will no longer be necessary. For me the Red Poppy is already a symbol of hope for the future, (it was after all found growing in the devastated battlefields of Flanders, and was chosen for that reason....)
I am also anti-war, I have seen its consequences first hand, and believe that peace is the only answer. I am offended that those who wear the white poppy should think that their sentiments are any different from mine, or indeed anyone else who wears Red.
From my point of view the White Poppy can only be worn by those who do not understand the true meaning of Remembrance Day. The Liturgy of a Remembrance Service includes a commitment to those who are living today to work for a better future; it does not glorify the past, nor is it stuck in the past.
Yet the past is important, ....as a statement above the door of the former Dachau Concentration Camp in Germany reads "Those who do not learn from the past, are condemned to repeat its mistakes."
Lets not turn Remembrance Day into a time for making trite political statements.... wear Red, as a symbol of Remembrance AND Peace.

- Revd Philip Patterson, Perth, Scotland

I'm an expatriate Brit and I will be wearing both the white and the red poppy this November. I believe that acknowledging those who died in wars past and a fervent hope that peace may reign in the future are not mutually exclusive.

- Johanna, San Francisco, CA

I've just been reminded of the white poppy and the controversy it appears to attract. It seems to me that the implication against both is implied rather than asserted. I am sure wearers of the red poppy are not pro-war and wearers of the white poppy are not indicating any disrespect for those who died, yet these seem to be assumptions people are making.

I believe that the difference is merely an emphasis on the past or the future. Either way the objective is the same; to be mindful of mortal conflict and it's ultimate cost.

There should not be any conflict between people who display one symbol or the other because they abhor the effects of war. By engaging in such arguments, a wearer of either becomes a hypocrite.

- Bob, High Wycombe

I'm BA student studying Peace and it seems odd to me that anyone would not support the wearing of a white poppy. It's not about political correctness, it's not about us and them, it's about all of us. Monks being killed in Burma for protesting peacefully, inocent citizens of Iraq and Afganistan being killed for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. As an individual most things we do are a mere insignificance but it's all those mere insignificances that make a difference. Wear the red poppy and remember those who lost there lives stopping what could possibly have been the biggest disaster of the 20th Century. And wear the white poppy to help stop such a conflict from ever happening again.
Violence can create peace but peace will never create violence.

- Nick Renn, Hackney, London

I think it's disgusting to wear a white poppy and I'm glad I havent seen anyone doing so. This morning in London I was pleased to see so many RED poppies being worn. It's shameful the white poppy brigade use this day of remembrance to ride roughshot over this tradition for their agenda. Its nothing to do with being anti war and everything to do with thumbing your noses at those who died for our and others freedom. They must not be allowed to detract from the real Poppy Appeal. Wearing both does not make you an exception to that cynical drive to undermine the real appeal and detract from it.

- Af, London

I agree with the wearing of white poppies, in fact I am wearing one now... but I am wearing a red one too. I always wear both - the red is to commemorate the dead of two World Wars, the white to indicate a commitment to peace. I find it insulting of one reader to refer to it as 'the usual nonsense from the PC brigade', and I think the person who sent this mailing should apologise. I also take exception to the claim that the proponents of the White Poppy campaign are 'trying to denigrate the contribution our Armed Forces make' - this is a complete misrepresentation of the White Poppy campaign. BOTH poppies commemorate the dead of two World Wars, and I would never wear one without the other.

- Jane Ennis, London, UK

I used to support the aims of the White Poppy appeal but it seems to me now that their aims are misguided. It was Palmerston (I think) who said that while 'War' was a calamity and 'Peace' a magnificent thing, nevertheless there are more important issues than 'Peace' and worse things than 'War' - living in a society of justice and freedom, and not living a life of enslavement and tyranny, are worth fighting for.

- Craig Menzies, London

Well, Mick, the Red Poppy is far from pro-war. It is a commemoration of those who gave their lives in defence of freedom and the country, and I don't for one moment suspect that even one of them thought 'Oh great, a war! let's go and get killed'. The fact is that poppies are red, and they do grow in profusion in the Flanders area where so many were killed in WW1. White poppies are just the usual nonsense from the PC brigade who feel they have to make capital out of absolutely anything they can.

- Paul, London

'A blunder by the design team'. Come off it, someone senior must have approved the final proof of the invitation. If not, it was sloppy staff work by commanders, not 'design teams'. We are all aware of what proponents of the white poppy campaign are trying to do: denigrate the fundamental contribution our Armed Forces make, and our veterans have made, to the stability and safeguarding of our society. Anything that detracts from the Royal British Legion's poppy campaign in support of those in need is shameful.

- Peter Haldane, London

What is wrong with being against war?

- Mick, London, England


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