Fury over new gay hate laws which 'threaten free speech'
Last updated at 15:22pm on 08.01.08
Jack Straw: Facing embarrassment
A coalition of MPs is hoping to halt a gay hate law which will stop Christians pronouncing their beliefs about marriage and family life.
The Tory, Labour and Lib-Dem MPs are demanding an amendment be introduced to the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill to make sure religious leaders are not prosecuted for criticising homosexual lifestyles.
They are threatening to force a vote on an issue which has split Gordon Brown's Cabinet.
If successful, they would embarrass the Premier and Justice Minister Jack Straw, who has attempted to drive through the provision despite opposition from ministers led by Attorney General Baroness Scotland.
The amendment says nothing should prohibit or restrict "discussion of, criticism of, or expression of antipathy towards conduct relating to a particular sexual orientation, or urging persons of a particular sexual orientation to refrain from or modify conduct according to that orientation".
It mirrors a similar clause in Labour's laws against incitement to religious hatred which was forced through only after a protracted battle in Parliament.
The proposed law against incitement to hatred of homosexuals would carry a maximum penalty of seven years in jail - a longer sentence than the five years handed down to a typical rapist.
It is considered so severe that it has drawn criticism from some homosexuals.
They include Christopher Biggins, actor and winner of last year's I'm a Celebrity - Get Me Out of Here, the former Tory MP and journalist Matthew Parris and the human and gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell.
In Parliament, the amendment has so far been signed by Conservatives Edward Leigh, Bob Spink, Stephen Crabb, Philip Davies, Ann Widdecombe and Philip Hollobone and LibDems Alan Beith and Colin Breed.
Jim Dobbin, David Taylor and Geraldine Smith were among early signatories from the Labour benches and it is expected that many more will join them before the Bill returns tomorrow to the Commons, where it is in its final stages.
Mr Dobbin, MP for Middleton and Heywood, said: "We are not having a go at the gay community but are trying to protect ministers of religion who might want to preach from the pulpit or express concerns in other ways."
Miss Widdecombe said the amendment was vital to stop the further erosion of the right to free speech.
"For the first time in our history you can have a policeman knocking on your door not for something you have done but for an opinion you have expressed and that should be totally contrary to the British way of life," she said.
A month ago Church of England and Roman Catholic bishops united to warn that: "Christians engaged in teaching or preaching and those seeking to act in accord with Christian convictions in their daily lives need to be assured that the expression of strong opinions on marriage or sexuality will not be illegal."
They said the police had already shown themselves to be "over-zealous" against Christians who have publicly expressed traditional views on sexuality.
In 2006 Joe and Helen Roberts, a retired couple from Fleetwood, Lancashire, were questioned by police officers for 80 minutes on their attitudes to homosexuality after they complained to their council about its promotion of civil partnership ceremonies and the distribution of gay rights leaflets in public buildings.
They later won £10,000 in compensation and a cringeing apology from Wyre Borough Council.
Neil Addison, the barrister who represented the couple, said: "Increasingly "hate crime" laws are being used to harass and intimidate ordinary people who dare to disagree with PC orthodoxy."
The gay pressure group Stonewall says the law will permit religious leaders to continue to express their views provided they are temperate and polite.
Reader views (8)
I'm gay and it makes me mad that people still talk about the "gay lifestyle". We're individuals, for God's sake! I'm sure those who condemn homosexuality would be dreadfully disappointed to learn the details of 'my' gay lifestyle: no promiscuity, no Class A drugs; nothing to get steamily self-righteous about.
At the same time, I am against this law. Incitement to violence is already (rightly) prohibited; incitement to hatred is, in my view, a wholly unjustified incursion into freedom of speech.
I don't need protecting from irrational homophobic idiots spouting their nonsense and, frankly, the last thing I want to do is feed into their martyrdom complex. Bring it on - let them show themselves for what they are, and then be shot down with reasoned argument.
- Rachel, London, 09/01/2008 11:21
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How many times do we have to tell you people this: being gay is not "lifestyle" or a "choice", it is who we are. No-one can choose to be heterosexual if they aren't - they can only choose to lie. You (rightly) wouldn't be allowed to criticise someone just for being black, so why should they be allowed to "express their antipathy" towards us just for who we happen to be. Brian from Bristol should stop trumpeting rubbish about the "PC brigade". Why shouldn't we be able to enjoy freedom from the tirades of idiots who know nothing and just want to make other people's lives unhappy?
- Rob C, London, 08/01/2008 14:56
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Free speech is great but it wasn't so long ago that section 28 prohibited gay teachers from even mentioning homosexuality in schools, let alone promote it to kids. If a child had turned to a teacher for guidance, the teacher was obliged to offer no comment and send the kid packing. Democracy in action.
- Headhunter, London, 08/01/2008 13:35
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Another whitewash of anything Christian or British.
- Jc, London, 08/01/2008 13:34
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This will be pushed through, no matter what a large majority of the British public think. This Government does what it wants without any bother with public consultation. The ratification of the EU Constitution will also be pushed down Brits' throats despite their expressed massive opposition. Most Brits want Great Britain and Northern Ireland to remain a country rather than become a province in a new E.U. federal state. But Gordon has other ideas. Why there isn't rioting against the coming change in British nationality I shall never understand. Maybe we'll see it yet!
- Phil Jones, London UK, 08/01/2008 12:56
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"A coalition of MPs is hoping to halt a gay hate law which will stop Christians pronouncing their beliefs about marriage and family life."
Without free speech democracy is dead.
- Keith Lonsdale, Doncaster, 08/01/2008 12:22
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Free speech is extremely important - it's one of the cornerstones of the values and beliefs of this country. I agree with the principle behind the law, but surely there has to be a better way of protecting gay rights than this? I'm sure that most gay people would want the right to continue to be able to criticise various religous authrorities without the fear that they themseleves may end up in jail for religious hatred crimes. This ought to be a cultural change rather than a legislative change, or at least tone down the punishment significantly.
- Sean, Central London, 08/01/2008 11:26
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Free speech is one of our most valued rights in this country. It must not be discouraged by the 'PC' brigade.
- Brian, Bristol, 08/01/2008 09:56
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