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Police need to 'get a grip' of protesters, says BNP leader Nick Griffin
10.06.09
BNP leader Nick Griffin urged the police to "get a grip" of protesters who forced the party's MEPs to abandon their first joint press conference yesterday.
The British National Party leader spoke out after being besieged by around 40 protesters when he held a press conference in a Manchester pub today.
Mr Griffin, who along with Andrew Brons was elected as an MEP, said: "There wasn't a huge police presence yesterday. The police let the mob run wild.
"I think it's very sad that a hostile mob which is partly paid for by taxpayers and backed by Labour and the Conservatives is allowed to get away with mob violence on the streets of Britain in 2009.
"I've got to go and visit constituents in places like Preston and Andrew Brons has to go to places like Bradford. The police need to get a grip on these people and stop them throwing eggs and bricks.
"Like us or not we are a democratic party elected by people who have specific concerns they think we will address properly."
Mr Griffin was pelted with eggs on College Green in Westminster yesterday after being targeted by protesters.
Today he posed for photographers in the bar of the Ace of Diamonds pub with a box of eggs and sat on a bar stool reading the Daily Star, whose front page read "The Yolk's on You".
Mr Griffin said: "I want to get away from the publicity. It's been fun while it's lasted."
He said he wanted to represent constituents "regardless of their creed or colour" but added: "I would expect most ethnic minorities would go to the Labour Party, as it's the party for them."
Mr Griffin said the BNP was the persecuted party after Manchester City Council refused to allow them to hold a press conference in the town hall where he learned of his election to the European Parliament on Sunday night.
He said: "The mob outside are allowed to meet in Manchester Town Hall to plot violence against the BNP... If that's not persecution, pray tell me what is."
There was a heavy police presence and BNP security presence outside the BNP-supportive pub on Oldham Road, and reporters faced several demands for identification before being allowed inside.
Several newspapers were banned from attending "because of the lies they have printed", Mr Griffin said.
Protesters chanted outside the pub and played Bob Marley songs while inside Mr Griffin sipped a half of bitter and spoke to the media.
Mr Griffin warned: "Unless the police and the British political elite get a grip of the public disorder, the consequences could, as I'm sure you are aware, be extremely grave indeed."
He claimed the party has seen a growth in membership applications and said its call centre received 20,000 phone calls in the first 15 minutes after a BNP party political broadcast was shown on television.
Tina Wingfield, BNP membership secretary, said 2,000 people have joined the party in the last six weeks, increasing overall membership by about 25%.
Mrs Wingfield, who is a BNP councillor in Cumbria along with her husband, said: "It's an absolutely huge rise in membership. We've got a backlog of calls to answer, of which we hope to translate about 20% into new members."
Mr Griffin expressed anger about a leaflet on how to vote being produced in a foreign language.
Referring to the leaflet, which was "probably Punjabi", he said: "They're using British taxpayers' money to encourage one section of the community, and one section alone, to vote. It's gerrymandering."
Mr Griffin repeatedly denied being a racist or a fascist.
He said: "The way that this country is run is racist. We're about levelling the playing field.
"The state has forced us to be classed as white British, which means you alone are not covered by the Race Relations Act.
"There's a huge amount of institutional racism in this country towards white British people."
He predicted the Conservatives would win the next general election but said that in 12 months more and more people would turn to the BNP.
He also predicted that his party would overtake the Lib Dems in three years.
Mr Griffin said: "We are going to win seats in the Houses of Parliament. It's a huge victory (recent electoral gains) because, as you all know, we've been demonised, lied about, as well as being persecuted and denied the right to public meetings and we've beaten through all of that to win seats."
Reader views (55)
If Nick Griffin and his band of knuckle draggers are so worried about immigration and lack of social integration, then why dont they campaign to get the ignorant english out of spain. Also, they should campaign to get the whites out of south africa, australia and north america, where intimidation, murder and lies were used instead of integration.
Furthermore, if you take this whole immigration point back to its origins, we should be throwning the english out of britain all together, seeing as they are almost all descended from invaders and immigrants. The only true British are the Welsh, scots and other Celts that were forced out of England by murderous invaders such as the Romans,Saxons and Normans.
How does that sounds, Mr Griffin ?
- Jim Dunstan, Newport
Everything in life, from one's personal to professional life, is a matter of BALANCE. Multi-culturism can be a good thing, provided it is kept in moderation and provided it is something that the British people want to begin with. The same goes for everything else, including mass-immigration - MODERATION. Australia, is a prime example of MODERATION; they have in place a points-system that seeks to attract positive influences upon their shores e.g. skilled workers. Ultimately, they are far better off for it because they have a balanced approach to maintaining economic and cultural affairs.
- Leigh Harwood, Pontypridd
What a cacophany of hypocrisy.
The fascist thugs of teh BNP deserve all the eggs and rotten cabbages they get. They obviously don't know their English tradition and heritage.
And when BNP memners stop putting asian grocers and Jewish schoolteachers in hospital or in terror for their lives, they will earn the right to free speech. Until then, they are abusing this precious freedom with their lies and hatemongering.
Any fool who sympathises with them because of a few eggs is not doing so out of any point of high principle but out of the worst sort of moral cowardice of all, letting hiding behind a fascist.
BNP & criminality
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg07.htm
Today's BNP "dirty dozen" are:
1. Tony Lecomber, prominent in the BNP hierarchy, served three years in jail for a nail bomb plot. He got another three years in 1991 for stabbing a Jewish teacher and has 12 convictions in all.
2. Kevin Scott, BNP organiser in the North East, has convictions for assault and threatening behaviour.
3. Paul Harris, 41, BNP council candidate in Barnsley was convicted of using threatening behaviour towards a pensioner.
4. Jason Douglas, one of the BNP's leading candidates in the Greater London local elections, is a convicted football hooligan.
etc etc
http://www.gmb.org.uk/Templates/PressItems.asp?NodeID=91491
- Little Richardjohn, London UK
The British Nazi Party can only prosper while people are afraid of each other. The recession sets the general level of paranoia, but the profit-making media deliver the real injection of terror and keep the hate flowing.
Those frightened little children who vote for fascism, and believe the media lies about the evils of asylum seekers and trade unionists, end up with torches blazing, hounding out women and children in an orgy of ethnic cleansing, such as we recently saw (again) in Belfast.
- Little Richardjohn, London UK
I didn't vote BNP, but I shall next time, just to protect freedom of speech. The left cannot accept democratic decisions which don't agree with its dogma. Do they remember the words, "I totally disagree with the views you express, but I shall defend to the death your right to express them"?
- David Chown, bath
The BNP were democratically elected mostly by Labour supporters, in the Labour heartlands, because they quite reasonably objected to unrestricted immigration. It is obvious that the great unwashed have, by their loutish behaviour, proven to be the very fascists that they purport to hate. I do not agree with the BNP's politics, but defend their democratic right to stand for election, and to represent those that chose to elect them.
- Anthony, London Borough of Waltham Forest.
If the ruling elite allow political mob violence to rule the streets then I'm sure that in the end that is exactly what will happen. Just as I'm equally sure that the violence will start to cut both ways and let's face it, ZaNu Labour are not exactly the most popular people in town at the moment are they.
Can we have out democracy back please?
- Derrick, A Once Great Land
What a waste of eggs. Why dont these anti democracy protesters crawl back under the rock they came out of. As an elected politician he has every right to speak, whether you agree with him or not.
- Carolyn Smith, London
An analogy for you to consider - when the tide goes out it reveals what lay beneath the surface. It isn't that the exposed rock, sand and whatever has risen, but that the covering water has receded.
Now consider what happens when people don't vote, either as a misguided protest, or as a result of apathy. The tide went out the other day and some garbage was exposed on the beach. Whose fault is that? The rather objectionable BNP and their misled and/or like-minded supporters - or the people that didn't vote for the real-world parties (and yes, I include Labour and the Lib/Dems in this category, if reluctantly).
Violence begets violence. It is a catalyst and and excuse both. Minor though it might seem, thrown eggs are the equivalent of that first finger prod in a one on one confrontation. The egg throwers know this too - so they are 'egging-on' their opponents and looking for confrontation. THAT is why what they did is wrong. You either want a decent society or you don't, law or chaos - there can be no half-way measure; there can be no cherry-picking. There is a mechanism for defeating the BNP and the like - simply out-vote them. It's pretty simple really.
But people need to stir their apathetic behinds and actually do it.
- Rogan, Irving
I am no fan of the BNP, but unfortunately they are a legitimate political party elected through the democratic process.
If you prevent them from spewing their filth, they will gain sympathy and be treated as a victim of liberal bullies.
The only way you can minimise their ascent, is to shine a light on their policies and then let the voters make an informed decision.
Don't treat the voters as fools, and if they still vote BNP after all the facts have been highlighted, then it is a sad day for Britain and a poor reflection on how the mainstream parties have taken the white, working class for granted.
- Larry, London
Why does it always appear the majority of these anti fascists / racists are white and middle class. Where are all the black and asian people making a visable stand against the BNP.
- David, London
I can't understand why the police didn't tear into the demonstrators, after all they are the BNP's natural allies.
- James, london
Natty,-I most certainly am not odious,-perhaps my comments were too near the truth for you?,-also could you learn to spell properly before hurling silly insults,- I'll send you a dictionary if you want?
- Jacob, Canterbury Kent
Quote: Two people were taken to hospital after the demonstration and police said they were investigating allegations of common assault and a road collision.
Funny how the police stood bye while the BNP and the media were attcked by the UAF ultra left thugs, but now they are investigating the allegations made by the UAF? Something is seriously wrong with this picture and whether you support them or not, the BNP MEP's were voted in by and represent people of the public. They have a right to address the media in public and it is the duty of the police to protect the public and our elected officials. Weird how the police protect Muslim extremists in Luton from the crowd but not government officials? A sad day for democracy and proof our police is nothing more than a far left troop.
- Dirk Diggler, Soho,UK
And just think in 5 years time, they will have more MP's, MEP's and councillors than they have now.
- P Staker, London, SW8
So the question is not what their election moto is, but what will be the wider consequences of their rise ?
- Mandy, Brighton
Well said Mandy. And for those who care to read (or can read) the BNP's manifesto on their website, maybe that will make them wake up to the true racist, bigoted BNP facts and see through the smokescreen. No black players in English football teams, abolition of the Race Relations Act, the freedom for employers to discriminate against race and colour....do I need to go on? But it's written in such a way that the average BNP voter would be too illiterate to even understand it! My parents came here from India in the '50s and I was born in London, and have a Scotish wife (yes, a WHITE wife) - and no BNP knuckle-dragger is going to tell my that I'm a 'racial foreigner'. What I am is British, and proud of it! Let's hear some of the BNP members who post on here oppose that.
- Napoleon Blownaparte, London
Like it or not people still feel anger at the "they took our jobs" and "they took our houses" often muttered in anger, by down trodden members of society
- Gary, Brentwood 2
Yes Gary, and most of those 'downtrodden members of society' are sympathy-seeking primitive knuckle-draggers who sit on their fat butts all day, don't bother to look for work (or they're too thick to be employed), and think Britain owes them a living for doing nothing.
- Napoleon Blownaparte, London
I hate fascism, but personally think the protest was counter-productive and allowed Griffin to claim martyr status, "Communist" conspiracies, unfair police treatment (imagine if BNP thugs had attacked a Communist Party or anti-fascist groups' press conference) etc.
The dogdy anti-"free speech" argument by the protesters' spokesmen could be used against leftists as well as the far right, and in general political violence against opponents by any side should be clamped down on in a democracy. We won't have much of a rule of law if far left and far right parties' members start attacking each other in the streets.
- Alex Wright, Birmingham, England
Jacob - Canterbury. You are an odious character who seems to think they are above everyone else around them. reedom of speech also includes people being able to demonstrate objections - maybe if enough people had demonstrated against the Nazis some good might have been done.
- Natty, London
Thank god it was the BNP and not John Prescott or the egg thrower would have got a quick left jab followed by a right hook.
- Steve, Brentford
Mek, London - if the BNP members are thugs, as you say, then why haven't they been arrested and prosecuted. Instead of spouting the usual unsupported media stereo tripe, perhaps you might want to reflect on the fact that you are doing exactly what you accuse the BNP of by brandishing them with your prejudices.
- Lickyalips, Richmond, Surrey
What I want to know is how can a politician like David Cameron support these far-left thugs - he is listed on the website of the UAF as a supporter after all? What happened outside Parliament yesterday was a disgrace and went far beyond the mere throwing of eggs - bottles and wooden staves were also used in the attack. Clearly these left-wing thugs have not the slightest regard for democracy and are merely pursuing their own thuggish agenda.
- Wes, Bucks
Andy Woodhead I was not having a go just pointing out the lines are hard to define. As I said I think I prefer people that are born here to understand they are English, if they hate the thought of being English so much and want to call themselves British they should go somewhere they feel is a country they can call home. Pride in ones country is a fundamental to the success and happiness of a nation and the English should not be made to feel it is wrong to defend the English life. I have nothing in common with the Scots.
After due consideration I feel the word 'indigenous' replaced with 'settled' would improve your original statement. I also noticed nobody yet has pointed out the anger caused by the PC brigades who have directed more people towards the BNP than any other organisation. Like it or not people still feel anger at the "they took our jobs" and "they took our houses" often muttered in anger, by down trodden members of society
- Gary, Brentwood 2
Gary (Brentwood), just to qualify I am English, in my 50's, was born in Whitechapel, London and have lived in and around London for most of my life so why would I not like the English ? I do not judge people by the colour of their skin but by the depth of their character, honesty and integrity. Oh, and as for the adjective 'indigenous' please note the following entry in the Oxford English Dictionary 'originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native' which means that anyone born in England is 'indigenous', unless of course they prefer to be part of another creed or culture and identify themselves as such......
By the way, apologies for having to quote from the Oxford Dictionary, I am of such limited intelligence that I had to look up the meaning of the adjective.........
- Andy Woodhead, London, ENGLAND
MEPS not allowed to speak, where were the police. Maybe there ought to a European Union enquiry into the absent of police arrests. The BNP MEPS have been democratically elected and should have the protection of the police. Perhaps a European fine for Britain.
- John, dagenham
I watched that UAF spokesman on Newsnight last night. To be honest he struck me as someone suffering from some sort of Autism, or possibly he suffers from OCD ( no disrespect to sufferers of either condition)
Constantly drinking from his glass of water and rocking back and forth in his chair he repeated over and over again "Fascist, Nazi,...no platform" . His Polo shirt was tightly buttoned up to the neck ( always a dubious sign ) and he wouldn't make eye contact with the LibDem Mp Simon Hughes or with Paxman.
Top marks to Simon Hughes for trying to get into the rain man's head the concept of democratically elected people being allowed to speak no matter how odious you find their policies.
He made an intelligent, salient and fundamental point.If someone is wrong then prove them wrong through debate!
I ask the question, has the election of two BNP MEPs opened up a bigger can of worms? The open can being the obvious revelation that perhaps we do not live in a full open Democracy after all?
Right, I'm off to dust off my copies of Voltaire and Rousseau!
- Londoner, London, England
Politicians of all parties have had eggs thrown at them - what is the big deal?
Who was the spokesman for the protestors on the news last night? - utter shambles and likely to have had the reverse effect and provided more airtime and support for the BNP - if you want to protest against the BNP you need a spokesman who can answer the questions raised rather than just repeating some of the awful things the BNP members have done/said. Let the BNP have their press conference but no press turn up -by far the most effective way of making sure the BNP's message is not spread!
- Andy, london
To Ali Sichilongo it is your type of remark that is so disturbing because it is so anti-democratic. You advocate the law of the jungle which is absolutely not the way we do things in Britain, I hope. Yesterday only proved that the left wing, communist UAF is anti-democratic and violent, which played into the hands of the BNP: You have lost your argument if you turn to violence and advocate mob violence as you do in your post. The only way in a democracy is not to demonise but engage in debate. If you believe in your argument and can persuade enough people you will prevail. If not you must accept the majority may go against you. What you advocate and what the demo mob did is/was fascist behaviour.
- Richard K, Nottingham
It is the loony lefty protesters who are the facists. They are all on benefits. They obviously don't know communism id dead and buried
- Trevn, Abu Dhabi
This is not about freedom of speech, but misuse of this freedom to spread Hatred and Animocity. The path of BNP does lead to the Utopia they are promising, but a Bankrupt isolated Britain torn by roits and economic collapse.
All BNP is doing is telling desperate and backward people that they have "the Answer" to all their problems (ha ha ha).
Over 150,000 skilled and Lifestyle seekers leave UK every year for foreign lands. And thousands of Brits refuse to work because of the government handouts and job priorities. With rise of BNP this rate will only fasten and the rich and highly skilled will be the first to leave (and not just ethnic ones).
BNP is nothing more than British version of Taliban and Nick Griffin's goals are fully aligned with that of North Koreas (i.e. Isolate Britain from the world)and Pull out of the world order.
So the question is not what their election moto is, but what will be the wider consequences of their rise ?
- Mandy, Brighton
Who are the fascists and bigots? The BNP have been DEMOCRATICALLY elected by thousands of people. To deny them their platform, to abuse them, to attack them is the denial of democracy and the manifestation of fascism which their thuggish opponents accuse them of.
- Judith C, London, England
Andy Woodhead, London, ENGLAND as I guess you believe you are of average IQ could you please tell me who the indigenous people of this country are?
I have never been answered that question and I suspect some are looking at skin colour rather than birth. I personally can not stand people born in England who claim they are British, Britain is not a country! Hate is very clear on both sides of the fence. If you do not like the English then go and find another country yu will be happy, if you hate people because the colour of their skin you should be locked up.
- Gary, Brentwood 2
Seeing the antics of those egg throwing lefty scum makes me more, not less, likely to go out and vote BNP. Seems to me that those lefties are more fascist then the BNP they attack. The BNP should be able to say their piece and people would then be able to judge for themselves if they are fascist racist bigots and vote accordingly.
- Ray, London, England
How many people wish they could have stopped Hitler while they had the chance - before his Fascists murdered millions of ordinary working class people. These demonstrators are doing their bit to stop history repeating itself, good luck to them.
Nick Griffin is lucky they just threw eggs at him. A friend of mine got more than 50 stitches in his face when BNP members threw a pint glass at him simply because he was black. They spent a couple of years in prison for it but he's scarred for life.
- Nolan, London
What's really happening is a steady shift of the power base, much feared since the fifties, from the political elite in Westminster who represent a narrow self interested metropolitan class to ordinary working indigenous people.
And, what’s ‘right wing’ about nationalising everything under the sun and stiff trade barriers which is also what the BNP represent.
Ordinary working people who represent the bulk of the population have no outlet for their views in the main stream so the BNP get it by default.
- Dave Morris, Sunderland UK
I'm so disappointed with the people that threw eggs at BNP leader Nick Griffin yesterday when he attempted to hold a victory press conference...come on people...we live in a multi cultural democracy...so next time please FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DEMOCRACY can you chuck BRICKS at the racist instead???...much more effective, n'est pas?!!!!
- Ali Sichilongo, London
Seems the fascist left are as bad as the fascist right!
- Chris, Brighton, England.
Nothing like taking the moral undergound. Who are the brains behind this "Unite Against Fascism" the flower pot men. Idiots giving the BNP yet more headlines
- Ge, Kernow
I am far more sympathetic to BNP and Griffin than these lawless thugs who attacked him. At least we know what he stands for, and he has been elected. Who are these thugs??
And where were the police?
We seem to be living in a land where some senior officers and politicians "declare" who is acceptable and who is not, ignoring democratic votes, and that is nudging closer to dictatorship.
There are thing which the BNP stand for that some of us do agree with and other we don't. The same is true of Lab and Cons. But we don't gag them or throw eggs at them, and if we did the Police would pretty sharply arrest us.
So where were the POlice yesterday????????
- Mike, Guildford
If it wasnt for the left, griffin and the bnp wouldnt exist.
- Jules_London, london
Democracy for the indigenous people of this country has been virtually eradicated by successive administrations over a period of approximately 50 years - our only right is to 'shut up and pay your taxes, we'll decide what's best for you' which is the message that virtually all governments since Harold MacMillan have sent out to us. The ordinary, working class people of this country have historically given the stiff upper lip and got on with it but woe betide ANYONE when our backs are really against the wall and we come out fighting ! Hence, the swing towards the BNP should not really surprise anyone of average intelligence - the only thing that surprised me about it is that the 'mainstream' political parties and media refused to acknowledge that it was going to happen and that the BNP were just going to quietly disappear.....
- Andy Woodhead, London, ENGLAND
The Thuggish Idiots who attacked the BNP are the best publicity for these people.The Fascist left-wing thug that was on newsnight last night must be the best advertisement for the BNP.That Out of date Idiot was a complete joke.
- Edwina, croydon
Yes folks they don't come much dafter than the lefties,-what exactly do these scruffy dishevelled egg throwers do for a living?,-sponge off the taxpayer one would suppose.
- Jacob, Canterbury Kent
I hope all the thugs who participated in the assault on Nick Griffin will be proscecuted. Whether or not you like his policies he was voted in and is doing nothing unlawful. I am not a BNP supporter, but I'm fed up to the back teeth of politicians denouncing the general public as a bunch of thicko's and getting on their moral high horse and dictating who we should or shouldn't vote for - like they can dictate morals at the moment! I am fed up with this violent bunch of lefties who won't let an elected MEP do the job they were legally elected to do. They are accusing the BNP of intolerance and racism, are they any better? They are actively discriminating against BNP supporters with acts of violence .. surely there is a policy against that somewhere?!!!
- Kim, Lancing, West Sussex
Our political class does not believe in Freedom of Speech or individual liberty. Maybe the propaganda that passes for education has something to do with it-who knows?
This latest gem from the (Conservative) MP Julian Lewis:
“...concern that television and radio stations will have to apply impartiality rules” to the BNP now that it has two MEPs.”
Then we have mobs attacking elected party leaders because they disagree with their policies and calling the people they attack FASCISTS—without even, it would seem, any irony.
- James J, London,England
Mek, London I agree it is a fundamental part of who we are. We allowed people like Abu Hansa to abuse this right but I firmly believe we should debate and be allowed to question these people and demonstrate what scum they are in an impartial cool manner. I listen to Nick Ferrari this morning on LBC ask why black people could not join the BNP and Nick Griffin was made to look a complete fool, that’s the way to beat them with reasoned debate not acting like scum and pelting them from a distance. All those scums did with the eggs did was to help the BNP cause.
It seems they were employed by other parties which really concerns me
- Gary, Brentwood 2
I have a message to all the scruffy egg throwers,-"if you hate freedom of speech so much,why don't you go and live in China or Korea?,demonstrations like this are dealt with harshly,-usually against a wall facing a firing squad,-you people are so pathetic,-go and get a job you lazy student grotbags.
- Jacob, Canterbury Kent
All these protests and attacks are just what the BNP want. It gives them publicity and victim status. Just how stupid are lefties?
- Danny, London
the thing you have to ask yourselves - where were these demonstrators when Hamza and the rest of his cronies were spouting their right wing islamic views.
the answer - No where to be seen. perhaps they were scared. or perhaps these part timers only pick and choose their 'causes'..........
- Jonny, London
Nick Griffin - you are a rotten egg so what do you expect! More of the same in Manchester please.
- Natty, London
Well, as muh as I hate to admit it, Nick Griffin has a point. He should be able to do what any other elected official can. The demonstrators were no better than Griffin's own thugs, resorting to violence.
- Mek, London
Disgraceful behaviour.I cannot stand Brown,his cronies and his policies but I wouldn't dream of pelting him with eggs.
Mind you I work during the day so I wouldn't have the opportunity in the first place.
Left wing London,deal with it.Everyone's entitled to their views,it's called a democracy.The reason a lot of people choose to live here from overseas in the first place.
- Lance, London
What are they discussing....Ceport all the Chickens ?
- Mandy, Brighton
THE BIGGEST THREAT TO DEMOCRACY IN THE UK IS FROM GORMLESS BROWN, JACKBOOT STRAW, MEDDLESUM, PRESCOTT AND BLUNKETT - ALL OF WHOM FIRMLY BELIEVE THEY ARE RUNNING A JACKBOOT AUTOCRACY.
IF IDIOTS WANT TO THROW EGGS AT ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, THEY SHOULD DIRECT THOSE EGG MISSILES (PREFERABLY ROTTEN EGGS) AT THE GAGGLE OF PARASITICAL MP's WHO HAVE BROUGHT THE UK TO ITS KNEES WITH POVERTY, VIOLENCE AND RACIAL HATRED.
- Reuben Camara, Morecambe, Lancaster
No fan of the BNP but it seems that the protesters are actually becoming the very thing they are protesting against. If they object to the anti democratic stance of the BNP aren't there an awful lot of other groups who deserve their attention as well ranging from the SWP to extreme Islamic groups.
- Gazza, london
