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Nice to know that scarce prison resources are being used to incarcerate the most violent offenders!

Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel...

- Marty, NR, 02/10/2009 00:17
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A bit of charity.Please. She made a dreadful mistake. Oh you very fortunate people who are perfect. Congrats!
Yes. If she were 20 St...If she were a man...if...

The poor woman is disgraced, probably feels worse than any public condemnation could achieve, maybe even suicidal?, has a vocation, a career she loves, taken away from her

Yes. She's pretty. That is being used as a stick to beat her.
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I have seen first hand, Police Constables without the slightest bit of integrity or honesty and yet, they get away with it. Believe me. None of us are perfect.

- Jim, Belfast, 23/09/2009 01:30
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Kh, London- "I wonder if keith lonsdale and his homophobic friends would have said 'excellent'! had it been a male teacher seduced by a sexy 15 year old girl? hmm..............maybe you could enlighten us keith??"

It is not me that has made heavy going of this woman's sexual orientation; in fact, I didn't mention it at all, because it is irrelevent.
Heterosexual or homosexual, a paedophile is a paedophile.
Perhaps you should explain why you appear to believe that being a homosexual should be seen as a mitigating circumstance when charged with sex offences against minors?

- Keith Lonsdale, Doncaster, 23/09/2009 00:01
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If it was a fat, ugly, male YOUNG teacher in the dock, my view would remain unchanged. I think the ages of consent for many things - paying tax, dying for one's country, marrying, having sex - are all a bit confused and not correctly aligned to the maturity of modern teenagers. I had first-hand experience of paedophilia as a child: trust me, this is different. I agree the teacher was foolish and I really question why the whole school knew about it except, apparently, the head teacher. I went to an all-girls school myself and found it astonishing that the Head managed to employ 2 obviously Lesbian women as House Mistresses - in charges of Boarders - who I'd say rather over-stepped the mark with one or two girls who we all knew to be Lesbians. The school also employed a 23 year old man to be the A Level Maths teacher: the poor man clearly had a crush one of his students, who was not reprimanded when, as part of her role as a harlot in a House Play, she walked into the audience and carried on singing whilst straddling his lap wearing a corset. After a few other incidents of gifts of underwear left anonymously for him, etc. the poor man I believe had a break-down and left - he then dated one of his students. The Lesbian House-mistresses also hooked up together before one heartlessly left on a motorbike with someone else, leaving the other to pass out drunk through a triple A Level science lesson. As with this case, poorly managed from the top, I'd say.

- Roz, France, 22/09/2009 12:46
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Joan (London)
If you're a teacher why can't you spell?
Your grammer is also rubbish.

See me after school for private lessons and don't start having any funny ideas about starting an affair because I'll just give you dentention.

- Andrew, Ely UK, 22/09/2009 12:36
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I'm confused; can all the posters who think she was hard done by confirm that they would think the same if a fat ugly male teacher had been in the dock? Seriously, what would the difference be?

- Jules_London, london, 22/09/2009 11:45
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The fact that the 15 year old pupil did the running is irrelevant. Helen Goddard should have practised a bit of self-control. A jail sentence is appropriate.

- Angela, London, 22/09/2009 11:37
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The sentence is a bit harsh but I totally agree that the teacher was in the wrong, regardless of the fact that the student started things.
Joan, as a teacher you should be able to spell daily and your grammar needs some work.

- Charlotte, Essex UK, 22/09/2009 11:21
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Well said Trunk. Simple common sense. I feared a few were seeking to justify something most adults should fear even considering let alone contemplate undertaking. Had this been a man I doubt we would have one single comment of support.

- Gary, Brentwood, 22/09/2009 10:42
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As a Teacher I recognise it is common for pupils to be attracted to tutors. The only barrier preventing teachers from taking the easy route of allow a relationship to prosper is the fear of unforgiving punishment. The matter of who started what has nothing to do with it, it is a matter of trust and reasonability and in that Helen Goddard has failed on a gargantuan scale. Helen Goddard has done something Teachers are trained to ignore on a Dailey basis and the sentence handed out here helps keep the lines in the sand very clear to Teachers entering the profession or anyone being tempted by flirty children who are not emotionally as strong as people making comments here think they are.

Without a doubt the looks of Helen Goddard have swayed a few peoples judgement, which is truly sad. 15-year-old girls need shielding from people like this the beauty only masks the evil.

- Joan, London, 22/09/2009 10:33
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Hey, teacher, leave them kids alone!

- Pink, London, 22/09/2009 10:14
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I feel great sympathy for both poor girls, who had a mutually consensual relationship. Helen Goddard is being branded the same as a paedophile, who is someone who preys on young children just for sexual gratification. She is a sheltered young woman who has had one loving relationship with someone else who, it could be argued, is also a young woman. Here in France, it would not have been a crime: the legal age of consent is 15. If this had been either of my neices who've just turned 16 I'd have said they were mature enough to know what they are doing - as they're very pretty I also warned a single friend in his 30s when he first met them that they were only 14, which astonished him.

Personally I think the hysteria over teenage sex is ridiculous: since the dawn of time young women of 15 were at the age to get married and start bearing kids. In 1275 the legal age of conset was set at 12 and remained so until it was raised to 13 in 1875 and then 16 in 1885. I'd say the teenagers today are more liberated, knowledgeable and mature than those of 1885. Helen Goddard has lost her good name, her ability to work, the love of her family, her pet dog and probably her home will be sold all for the immature decision not to wait a few months: she has truly been punished. I would have just the same sympathy if she had been a young man. I wonder if the girl's parents simply cannot cope with the news she is a Lesbian?

- Roz, France, 22/09/2009 08:54
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few weeks ago an article about a girl who was of age but appeared to be younger was banned. So can we make up our mind about the age of children .Is an 18 year old a child if she looks 15 and vice verser.I think maybe at 15 a child is not entirely stupid and should assume some responsibility for her actions.After all if she was a shop lifter the courts would not lock up the shop keeper and let the child go free. A 15 yr old child knows it is wrong to shop lift and also to play sex games with their teacher. We also jail 15 yr olds for murder but not for sex ( they are always the victim).Come on please have a bit of sense

- Too Old-Too Young, Aust, 22/09/2009 02:20
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The "children" have always been able to instigate many actions against/with adults and the adults will always be the ones punished.
A true adult does not participate.

- Trunk, US, 22/09/2009 01:24
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The country is so much safer now a prison cell that could be used for a violent knife carrying robber is taken up imprisoning a fragile woman, for falling in love with another woman who was 3 months under an arbitrary age line (and 15 wouldn’t even be a crime in most of the EU).
It was totally consensual and the younger woman is standing by Helen Goddard which is nice.
Some things like sexual persecution haven’t changed since Oscar Wilde’s time have they!!

- Jenny T, Newcastle, UK, 22/09/2009 01:13
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I feel sorry for both of them. It seems to me that they had (or have?) a good relationship. The teacher does not seem to be a predator nor the girl stupid or naieve. The case will have ruined both of their lives, I think people/parents/you lot are becoming a little bit over sensitive about this.

- Asterix The Gaul, LDN, 22/09/2009 00:48
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With reference to the definition of paedophile the only reference to prepubescence is found in the medical definition of the condition.
Everywhere else it is defined as having the repeated urge to engage in sexual activity with a child.
A child is a person who has yet to reach the age of majority, in the UK that is 18.
In the UK all sexual activity with children below the age of 16 is unlawful .
Goddard is a sex offender as defined by British law. In common parlance she is a paedophile.
There is plenty of case history regarding custodial sentencing for offences similar to this.
I am quite shocked and disappointed that so many have come out in support of a woman who has betrayed the trust placed in her by society at large.
You have clearly never witnessed to fallout from this kind of criminal behaviour.

- Belfast Cop, Belfast, 22/09/2009 00:02
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Paedophiles rape prepubescent children. The 15yo was consensual. She wasn't "groomed", any more than a shoplifter is "groomed" by an older accomplice, and the criminal age of responsibility is 10.

The girl couldn't get pregnant, and was no more likely to catch a disease than buying a take-away.

And if the girl wasn't mature enough to handle a relationship psychologically, how do you think she handled the court case?

No-one goes to prison for "an abuse of trust", otherwise prison would be full of offenders, young and old. Do you think the daughter is going to trust her parents, her school and the law?

So why does the law say that a 15-year-old shouldn't have consensual sex with an older person?

Perhaps the 15-year-old should stick with self-abuse. Is that still a crime?

- John Smith, London, 21/09/2009 23:28
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The country may be broke David, but we must still lock up perverts and other criminals. There are a thousand other ways to save money, starting with cutting back the overfunded and inefficient NHS, ending all foreign aid, stopping our payments to the EUocracy, slashing the Health and Safety Agency's rampant wastage, sacking all the racism awareness officers, slashing public sector pensions, and removing all the luxury facilities from our prisons. Locking up criminals is one of the two most fundamental duties of the state, and therefore one of the last two things that should ever be cut.

- Oliver Chettle, Bedford, 21/09/2009 21:49
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All the people defending this teacher may want to educate themselves on the issue of female paedophiles in British society then they might at least have a better understanding of the reasons behind the sentencing of this teacher.


BBC Radio 4 - "Woman's Hour" Discussion on Female Paedophiles

How common are women paedophiles?

Research into women who abuse is sparse, and invariably, paedophiles are thought of as men. Jane looks at the issue of women paedophiles, and asks why they do it; Are there key differences between male and female sexual offending? Why has society historically failed to acknowledge women as abusers? How big a problem is it, and how can offenders be managed in a community?

- Female Predator Awareness, London, 21/09/2009 21:08
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Memo to the judge concerned, also the CPS. Write out 1000 times, longhand:

The country is broke; we must stop wasting taxpayers' money like this;
The country is broke; we must stop wasting taxpayers' money like this etc etc.

- David, London, 21/09/2009 17:12
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Reading the father's impact statement, as quoted in the article, sund to me that he is a pompous ass and took it personally. They probably thought that paying all that money for a privileged education, entitled them to totally control their daughter. Would they have been so cross if it had been a state schol?

- Sue R, London, 21/09/2009 16:49
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'SHE IS A PAEDOPHILE END OF STORY, I'M SO GLAD THEY LOCKED THE DIRTY COW UP.'
P Staker, Socialist Republic of Londonistan.

And you need professional help mate..................

- Kh, London UK, 21/09/2009 16:44
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Mdj E10 Well said. The case is 90% abuse of power and breaking of trust.

I find it ironic the weaker amongst us find that as this is a middle class good looking female her treatment should be any different from ugly male in a dirty rain jacket. We know what the age of consent is and in this case its "18" and it is significant her job in all this and should not be white washed, that why I was concerned she was only on the registry for 10 years, she should be banned for life. Sex offends should not be given a second chance.

- Gary, Brentwood, 21/09/2009 16:37
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William,

A quick point in reference to the cases you pointed out to me. The first one, the teaching assistant had affairs with 2 15 year old girls - so that isn't entirely comparable.

Secondly the 16 year old and the 30 year old man - yes I agree, I think that this sentence might well be based on homophobia rather than the actual case (as I believe this one may be too)

Thirdly - the final one you quote the 'offender' was given community service only, so again it is not entirely comparable is it - she has got a jail term of 15 months.

- Suzy, London, UK, 21/09/2009 16:33
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I wonder how much sympathy some posters would have shown if she were twenty stone and looked like the rear end of a bus?,-maybe not too much,"just a thought"!!

- Drew Mybow, Communist Britain, 21/09/2009 16:25
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Sending this woman to prison is a complete waste of public money. She has already been punished in terms of a criminal conviction and her career. Taking into account the gril's age, and willingess, this seems over the top. And if attraction to a 15 year old girl is the defintion of padophilia, then there are an awful lot of heterosexual male paedophiles out there! I suspect that some of the hysterical comments on this piece are more motivated by fear, gievn that it involves two females.

- Alan, London, 21/09/2009 16:20
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Clearly harsh and excessive. Maybe she will appeal the sentence?
I believe that at age 15, young people should have informed sexual freedom. I doubt that the alleged victim has suffered because of the sex.

- Geoff Herbert, Melbourne, Australia, 21/09/2009 16:15
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It's clearly a problem describing post-pubescents as children when nature proves otherwise and, equally, applying the term paedophile, such as in cases like this. The prinicipal problem in this case is that the older party was a secondary-level teacher of the younger party and for very many good reasons teachers must understand without questioning that close, personal relationships with any pupil are fundamentally unprofessional and totally forbidden.

- Barry1858, Welwyn, 21/09/2009 16:08
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Tragedy for all concerned. Common sense says Ms Goddard is not a paedophile and the sentence is way over the top. Maybe a suspended sentence at most, the woman has been humiliated and cannot teach again, probably more than enough punishment. She will not have an easy ride in jail.

- Stephen C, London, 21/09/2009 15:51
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I do not personally wish to comment on the merits or not of the prosecution or the sentence, but some of the contributions here have clearly been founded on an ignorance of the law concerned.

Some have suggested that as the girl was fifteen it would have been effectively 'alright' had the teacher waited until the girl's 16th birthday. That does not apply where the adult is in a position of trust, such as being the girl's teacher: the minimum age under the law in that case is 18. Consequently a university lecturer could legally have a sexual relationship with a student 18 or over (his employer or others may view as inappropriate) but a teacher could not have one with say a sixth form pupil, who is under 18.

To Suzy some facts to sully your argument:

Feb 2009 in Bridgend teaching assistant James Davies ,23, 12 mths prison for sexual activity with two 15 year old schoolgirls.
June 207 in Cardiff David Le Brocq ,30, 12mths prison for sexual relations with schoolboy in Reading - boy was 16 (not 15).
In Jan 2009 in Aberdeen Alison Smith ,29, 200 hours community service for sex with boy pupil 15.

Individual facts and circumstances apply.

To Gary of Brentwood and others of similar view. Is a single relationship with a person near age of general consent paedophilia, epecially if initiated by other party? It is a sex offenders register and not a paedophiles register. Judge considers the likelihood of reoffending: is a boy of 19 after sex with girl 14 a lifetime offender?

- William, London, 21/09/2009 15:25
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I'm not happy with this sentence at all. What's the point of this woman serving time in prison? What will it achieve? It was consensual (I acknowledge the girl was one year under the age of consent...) but girls and boys have sex at 15 and will continue to do so. The fact here is a breach of trust. The solution is to ban her from teaching (which they have done and is enough). I acknowledge there are paedophiles that prey on children but in this case I would say the situation was different. This sentence is unjust and wastes tax payer’s money.

- Paul B, London, 21/09/2009 15:02
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This does seem a borderline case in most ways, but the issue behind the sentence is surely the abuse of power? Had the accused not been the girl's teacher, the reaction would not have been so severe.
Having said which, a prominent educationist who writes frequently in the papers engaged in extremely similar conduct about thirty years ago, and suffered no penalty at all.

- Mdj E10, london uk, 21/09/2009 14:48
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I have very mixed feelings about this issue. I think it was wrong for the teacher to have sex with a 15 year old, she should have waited until it was legal. However, it does seem that they were/are in love. I don't think she is a sex offender, as it was consensual sex, and the 15 year old was old enough to make an informed decision.

I was sexually abused as a child from 4 years old. As a 4 year old I had no choice. Most 15 year olds can make an informed choice,I believe this young woman made that choice. The teacher was foolish, and gave into her feelings. That is her only crime! I doubt if she would have been jailed had the relationship been heterosexual.

- Liz, London, 21/09/2009 14:35
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I'm sorry, but only the worst of little britain mindsets can really think a 15 yr old girl is the victim of a paedophilic older woman.

she's 15, and made the running. it was improper and I'm happy to see this dealt with accordingly; but misusing words like paedophile in such a ludicrous manner just diminishes the meaning of the word.

- Scotty, london, 21/09/2009 14:32
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What possible good is done by this silly woman, seduced by a precious teenager, being stuck in jail as as a charge upon the taxpayer? So long as she is banned from teaching she is a risk to no one and heaven knows, we taxpayers have more than enough burdens in this bankrupt island

- David, London, 21/09/2009 14:29
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Paul R, London - the laws relate to a cut-off line for when it is acceptable and when it is not. It can't float up and down according to whim. Young girls go off with older men "because they are in love with them and they just want to be like ordinary people in love" - and the man is still guilty. He knew better and CHOSE to continue. How does a lesbian affair differ?

The other side-issues would come anyway (about people "being enticed/forced into becoming a lesbian" or whatever) - it's what parents do when they are trying to rationalize "what went wrong". The only issue here is that the older woman knew she was doing wrong and still tried it on anyway.

End of story.

- Rogan, Irving, 21/09/2009 14:27
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It is SO significant that many of the male commentators here see this teacher as a paedophile!!(thank god for PaulR showing up that not all men are ractionary idiots) Did they not read the story? the pupil instigated the affair - or is it that it was alesbian affair that annoys you !!! The sentence is harsh to say the least. I wonder if keith lonsdale and his homophobic friends would have said 'excellent'! had it been a male teacher seduced by a sexy 15 year old girl? hmm..............maybe you could enlighten us keith??

- Kh, London UK, 21/09/2009 14:16
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WHY DO PEOPLE THINK ITS UNFAIR SHE GOT THIS SENTENCE.

SHE IS A PAEDOPHILE END OF STORY, I'M SO GLAD THEY LOCKED THE DIRTY COW UP.

JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN, DOES NOT MAKE IT OK.

- P Staker, Socialist Republic of Londonistan., 21/09/2009 14:10
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This seems a bit harsh to say the least.
It's not as though the girl was unwillinging, indeed she instigated it.
I see no purpose to this sentence. I don't believe the woman is a paedophile, just a lesbian who fell in love with a lesbian of 15. I pity them both, poor girls.

- Kerry, Purley, 21/09/2009 14:07
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Kieth , are you thick? was this really paedophillia? or is there a subtle differance here?
this is a bit differant than an adult exploiting a young child to get sexual gratification isnt it.
Thanks for the dictionary lesson ... not

- Brian, Wiltshire, 21/09/2009 14:03
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The sentence seems a bit harsh to me - she betrayed the trust put in her and knowingly and consistently committed a crime. That is serious, of course, and I accept that one always has to think of precedents, but the overwhelming senses are of sadness and the absence of a sensation of victimhood other than from the child's parents. I rather share Paul R's sentiments.

- Michael, london, 21/09/2009 13:58
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I wonder how many of the comments on here about how right this sentence is, would be saying the same thing, if it were a male teacher in his early 20's and a female pupil of 15 - exactly the same circumstances, where the 15 year old had insisted it was consensual? I'm guessing there wouldn't be quite as much condemnation of him.

- Suzy, London, UK, 21/09/2009 13:55
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I think you'll find actually a paedophile is defined as someone with a sexual interest in pre-pubescent children, which is not evident in this case.

Age of consent laws have to exist to protect the vunerable and innocent, however with a case like this you'd expect the fact that the girl is so close to this important legal age, together with her apparent maturity, to be taken into consideration.

There are no winners from this case. The family are no doubt in quite a state, the teacher is now in prison for the crime of falling in love, and the country is now a little bit poorer for having to pay for the police, court and prison costs involved.

I appreciate the police have to investigate such matters if a complaint is received, but a caution would have been more appropriate in this instance. Those of you thinking that the jailing of this teacher is a good thing should really open your minds a little.

- Steve R, London, 21/09/2009 13:54
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Too harsh.
Bearing in mind the ages involved, she should not have been jailed,
just disciplined & put on the register.

Killers are generally out in months if they can get away with a manslaughter plea.

- British Not Racist, Bracknell England, 21/09/2009 13:53
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It does seem a harsh lesson, however the teacher is in a position of trust and should not allow herself to be persuaded into a relationship either heterosexual or homosexual. She may not have done the chasing but she certainly should have stopped before anything happened she is the professional adult here!

- Maria, gloucester, UK, 21/09/2009 13:44
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Even if the circumstances were near enough identical, if that was a man, he would have had double that sentence and far less sympathy. Double standards strike again.

- Huw Morgan, London, 21/09/2009 13:38
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Press would have definitely handled this differently had it been a man - they almost seem to have taken it easy on this attractive educated middle class woman.

She is a paedophile!

- Alestare, London, 21/09/2009 13:35
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>>various sex toys including vibrators and "fluffy handcuffs".

Probably to be found in the bedroom of most young women nowadays.

On the face of it this seems bizarrely draconian.

- Peter, Harrow, UK, 21/09/2009 13:34
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She should have mugged some people, carried a knife and nicked some cars - she'd be off with some sort of tap on the wrist then. Hope everyone feels safer tonight, now she's behind bars, while the scum roam free.

Sure she was dumb to do what she did. And it should have been stopped. But jail? Britain has very odd values these days.

- Shain, SE France, 21/09/2009 13:33
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Why only 10 years on the sex offenders register?

It is a fact paedophile never change, all sex offenders should be on the register for life.

- Gary, Brentwood, 21/09/2009 13:29
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This seems a terribly harsh sentence, especially as the girl concerned made it clear she did the running at the beginning. I imagine this talented classical musician will be given a tough ride by the Bad Girls. Will she have to be segregated as some kind of "nonce"? It all seems so inappropriate. I wouldn't classify her as a pedophile. Note that the judge specifically decided not to make an order forbidding the teacher and pupil from meeting for five years.

- Susie, London, UK, 21/09/2009 13:27
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Keith - I beg to differ. I think that she was given the sentence because she was female. So many peadophiles get off with non custodial sentences - particularly those who claim 'consensual' relationships, as the girl in this case did.

I can't think of any case where a 15 year old girl having sex with a male teacher in his early 20's has resulted in a custodial sentence - can you?

- Suzy, London, UK, 21/09/2009 13:25
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It makes you wonder what the upshot of this is with regard to relations between the ex-pupil and her parents is now? I assume that it was them that proceeded with the prosecution despite their own daughter telling them that she and this woman were or are in love with each other? It sounds like this teacher has more likely been prosecuted because of them not wanting their daughter to be a lesbian.

I wonder if they will still have a problem with Ms Goddard in several years time if their daughter is either still seeing her or is in a loving lesbian relationship? I expect they will blame Ms Goddard for "turning their daughter lesbian" or something equally as ignorant, despite their daughter openly admitting that she was the one pushing for something to happen and consenting to the affair.

Having lived with several lesbians and straight women of whom the vast majority experimented with consensual lesbianism before the age of consent, i just find this story very sad. Yes laws are there to be upheld but these laws seem very ignorant of reality and emotion. However, the laws, whether changed in the future or not, should be the same for men and women, gay or heterosexual.

- Paul R, London, 21/09/2009 13:21
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Lets hope this highlights that there are just as many female paedophiles as there are men.

- Triffidqueen, Desk in London, 21/09/2009 13:17
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This seems a terribly harsh sentence, especially as the girl concerned made it clear she did the running at the beginning. I imagine this talented classical musician will be given a tough ride by the Bad Girls. Will she have to be segregated as some kind of "nonce"? It all seems so inappropriate. I wouldn't classify her as a pedophile. Note that the judge specifically decided not to make an order forbidding the teacher and pupil from meeting for five years.

- Susie, London, UK, 21/09/2009 13:14
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So at what age did you lot discover sex? Paedophile?A bit strong i think. This young lady was 15 probably going on 30 as most teenagers are these days. Both knew what they were doing was wrong.Foolishly they should have waited another year. However read what sentences are given to the real nasties out there and i think you will see this was over the top.Still 15 minutes of fame and she has a .stage name already.

- Allan Clarke, Brasil, 21/09/2009 13:09
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Brian Wilts-"paedophiles roam our streets....."

Paedophilia- "the condition of being sexually attracted to children"- Collins English Dictionary.

Brian, this condition is not gender specific; this woman IS a paedophile, but she is one that will not be "roaming our streets" for a while.

- Keith Lonsdale, Doncaster, 21/09/2009 13:07
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Who in their right mind "Tips off" the school about this? Thats the real unjustice!

- Ronnie, Glasgow, 21/09/2009 13:02
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Good. Under age sex applies to all sexual orientations.

- Jane, London, 21/09/2009 12:42
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paedophiles roam our streets, children beaten in there homes by vicous parents, but this warrants a jail sentance ?, unreal, surely there was some other way of dealing with this?

- Brian, Wiltshire, 21/09/2009 12:42
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Excellent! It's about time that a female paedophile was given a custodial sentence.
I'm sure that it would have been twice as long a sentence, at least, had she been a man in similar circumstances.

- Keith Lonsdale, Doncaster, 21/09/2009 12:38
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