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Manila_Spur, Manila - sometimes it isn't people who are resonsible, but circumstance. There doesn't ALWAYS have to be retribution against individuals - but when you insist on it regardless, you aren't talking about justice, just revenge. The two are seldom the same.

- Rogan, Irving, 02/10/2009 16:28
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Whether he was legal or illegal is totally irrelevant: they had no idea who he was. It could genuinely have been any of us, randomly shot dead in the tube with no warning.

- Nolan, Londonist, 02/10/2009 16:13
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People commenting here should read the Inquest transcripts before coming out with this tosh.
The police killers took the word of a total stranger ("Ivor") that J C de Menezes was the suspect. They made no assessment of the risk J C presented. "Ivor" jumped on JC and the other two began shooting. 4 bullets in his head, one in his back and another 4 bouncing round the carriage.

A gun cop arriving close behind looked at Ivor and thought he matched the description of the suspect and dragged him off JC and onto the floor, putting his gun to his chest.

The witnesses accounts vary in their detail. This is normal and the literature of psychology is full of this phenomenon. The gun squad accounts are all identical, even to them all making the same error in the name of the suspect they thought they were following.
Go figure.

Jean Charles de Menezes was wearing a tee shirt and a jeans jacket that morning. He behaved throughout like a regular commuter. He was holding an oyster card and a copy of the metro when he got on the Tube.

Londoners can have no confidence in the Met whilst no action is taken against the gunmen and those in charge of the operation.

http://www.stockwellinquest.org.uk/hearing_transcripts/index.htm

- Sam_M, london, 02/10/2009 15:57
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Croyboy, you make me ashamed to come from the same area as you. You are a vicious and stupid individual. and anyway, it would be cruzeiros not dineros.

- Kerry, Purley (nr Croydon), 02/10/2009 14:08
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@ David, N10

His legal status was a direct cause of his unfortunate killing.

The families motives are also now in question.

- Frank, Home Counties, England., 02/10/2009 13:43
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So Croyboy, you would be happy for this to happen to one of the 5000 or so Brits who entered Australia on a working visa and never left would you?

How nobody can be held accountable for this is beyond me.

- Manila_Spur, Manila, 02/10/2009 13:27
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Any loss of life is terrible, but we have to remember that this happened when London was on high alert because of the 7/7 bombings, and the 52 innocent people who died that day. Yes, the police got it seriously wrong, but hindsight is a wonderful thing, and it's easy to criticize their actions in the cold light of day. They had a difficult job to do following on from the bombings, and I think perhaps we need to remember that.

- Sonia M, St Albans, Herts, 02/10/2009 13:25
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Totaly agree with Keith Lonsdale - the officers were simply doing they job followinf orders - stop blaming them
if the brasilain had been a suicide bomber and it gone off you would be blaming the officer for not taking action
one way or the other they are in the wrong .... what is the point??

and Croyboy is absolutely correct they do want the money they have said so before

very high morals around here....why??

- London Eye, London, 02/10/2009 13:17
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OK Croyboy, he was an illegal immigrant who shouldn't have been here but he didn't deserve to be shot. It was a tragic cockup resulting from extremely brave police officers being put under massive pressure as a consequence of the actions of four mass murderers. The indoctrination of impresionable young men by a medieval religion that treats women as third class citizens and punishes freedom of thought is the real problem here. But don't get me started...

- Mark, Tunbridge Wells, 02/10/2009 13:16
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It would appear the likes of Croyboy are quite happy for the life of a terrified young guy to be snuffed out, depending on his legal status. We are talking human beings here mate, not just living organisms. If a friend or relative found themselves in a similar situation in a foreign country, regardless of how they came to be there, you may feel differently.

- David, N10, 02/10/2009 12:40
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Croyboy, You have projected your own filthy motives onto a family that is devastated by its grief. Your posting reflects on you not them, and it doesn't do you any favours.

- Peace Maker, Battersea, 02/10/2009 12:35
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One rule for the boys in blue and the IPCC struggling to save face, and another rule for us. Simples..........

- Nowan King, London, 02/10/2009 12:07
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The problem seems to be that the officers who did the shooting were acting within the terms of reference they had been given. The fault seems to be in the initial identification of the victim. I hope the police have taken on board a lot of lessons from this incident to ensure it cannot happen again. Like everybody, I feel great sympathy for the family of Jean Charles de Menezes and I can understand their anguish and frustration.

- Graham Rodhouse, Helmond, Netherlands, 02/10/2009 12:04
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That's okay, the relatives of this illegal immigrant aren't interested in punishment: they want "dineros"!

- Croyboy, Croydon, 02/10/2009 11:48
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The officers at the front line were not to blame for this tragedy.
The blame lies with Ian Bliar and Cressida Dick, the incident commanders.
Bliar has retired with an undeserved fat cat pension, and Dick was promoted as a reward for her incompetence.
Such is the way of things for NuLiebour's favoured few.

- Keith Lonsdale, Doncaster, 02/10/2009 11:42
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