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Sanjay you a rapper? great post, KH london UK you were offered a house in east london and took it, you mad or what, now that is a ghetto.

- Steve, England

er steve, i don't think Chingford can be described as a 'ghetto' mate. its a mainly white area so how can it be? and where exactly in 'england' do you live?
And as for you Lulu, stop backtracking! your original post wailed on about how poor white middle class you were being intimidated. Another commentator also remarked on it so please save the explainations for your pre- conceptions of people. Like i said tottenham does not need people like you, and no thanks to the invitation. I prefer to spend my time with people who do not judge on ethnicity alone.

you stay in your 'middle class' (whatever that is love) world and lock the doors............................

- Kh, London UK

this kind of crime hardly happen in abuja. Maybe totenham people should move over here. In nigeria, we love kids to the extent dat we protect them agianst the kind just witnessed by the little boy.

- Tony Ikpasaja, abuja, nigeria

I have been reading the comments with quite some interest and have come to the following conclusions.

1. As usual, the cowardly racist individuals have alot to say but hide behind their curtains when it comes to action.

2. The Police are very aware of the gangs in London and quite frankly are not doing a very good job......if only I could divulge.

3. Our government are more interested in International affairs rather than tackling domestic issues.

4. Our justice system is a joke, Judges have a lot to answer for. I have seen many in the stand be given chance after chance after chance. Eventually when sentencing is passed down, its only a matter of months before the criminals are released into society, Only this time they have established larger networks inside prison and are twice as menacing on their released. Judges are too detached from society to understand.

Ultimately, I fear the worst for England in the years to come. Whatever happened to common courtesy and respect? We should build super prisons abroad and ship every criminal out!!!!

- Aaron, London

What goes around comes around. At least my hard earned salary will not go towards a low lifes time in luxury - oops prison. Another one down and many to go. Rough and deserved justice.

- Louie, London, SE

This is what uncontrolled mass immigration has lead to -
foreign scumbags slaughtering each other on our streets.
The Italians passed a law enabling them to deport any
immigrants they considered undesirable; if only our
politicians had the backbone to do the same. Some hope!!

- Lb, Bromley

LIVE by the sword... Well you know the rest.

- Tony Essex, Uk

Lulu, I live a few hundred yards from the shooting having moved here in June. I have experienced none of the intimidation that you describe, on grounds of my pasty pale Irish skin or my professional background (prior to my current unemployment). There are actually a lot more white people in the district than I gather used to be the case. I can place many of the Irish accents down the Job Centre quite accurately, coming from there. I am not so good at working out if a mini-mart is run by Romanians, Poles, Latvians, or whatever other white ethnic origins that add to the wonderful ethnic diversity of Tottenham.

- Mercia Mcmahon, London England

Sanjay you a rapper? great post, KH london UK you were offered a house in east london and took it, you mad or what, now that is a ghetto.

- Steve, England

At 23 driving a Range Rover and not a footballer. Dodgy!!

- Adisa, Romford

KH,
Thank you for damming judgement of me - I am certainly no victim and can hold my own thank you kindly, I am simply speaking as I find, I at no point cliamed that anyone 'hated me' I was simply retelling an incident that occured last week - I moved here knowing that it was a largely ethnic populated community and having moved from Hackney another diverse London Borough but not being able to afford to buy there Harringey seemed to have a similar vibe (something I actually enjoy aboout London) - my experience and it is only my experience is that Tottennham/Wood Green certainly does not have any kind of positive vibe. I have found the experience of being judged by others becasue of my skin colour disturbing and not something I have experienced before. I am sure that there are gangs of white or asian youths running riot in Harringey - to be truthful I have not seen them and so am unable to comment (which is why I did not comment originally)
One final point KH you attack me for expressing a point of view - as a well bought up middle class person I have not attacked you for expressing your own viewpoint on my comments - I am as you say a 'lovely' person - in fact I baked all of my neighbours cakes for Xmas last year. Feel free to pop round for a lovely middle class tea at my house and I can take you on a guided tour and point out some of the issues that I have shared today

- Lulu, London

well in the absence of any effort from HMG and the police and courts having their hands tied i think its great all these foreign criminals choose to kill each other. Perhaps the last scumbag left alive would be good enough to make a hole in the Thames.

- Squiz, Islington

So you'd be happy to see BRITISH criminals roaming the streets killing each other (and everyone else in their sight) then?

- Nowan King, London

Good. maybe the lad will grow up and know what a piece of filth his father was, and when you play big boy games, there are big boy rules.

- Kerry, Purley

Right on target Sanjay. Couldn't be put clearer.

- Dave, London

Yet another shooting hmm.
So keeping guns out of the hands of us responsible citizens by draconian laws, thus ruining the one time popular hobby of shooting and effectively ruining our olympic shooting team.
How's that working out then?
Do we all feel safer post Hungerford knee jerk law making?

Fact is Gun laws only take guns away from the law abiding.


Dangerous dogs act. Removed all the scary pooches from the land? Hmmmm.

Knee jerk on the hoof law making.
Worked out fine hasn't it?

- Ethan, UK

well in the absence of any effort from HMG and the police and courts having their hands tied i think its great all these foreign criminals choose to kill each other. Perhaps the last scumbag left alive would be good enough to make a hole in the Thames.

- Squiz, Islington

How dim some people are,had his 5 yr old son next to him!Is that how much he cares for the life of his son?But knowing how low these scum are,its a fair bet he had his son next to him thinking that his son may be his ticket to protection.

- Kev, London-UK

Vile people in a vile area.

- P Staker, Londonistan.

yeah right p staker, you knew EVERYONE in the area so you can make that kind of blanket statement. Its pathetic that they are still people like you who seem to think everyone from a certain area or ethnic background is the same- i.e 'vile'. In fact P, you are so intelligent that you obviously do not know the phrase 'its not where you live its how you live'. You and Lulu sound like lovely people...................Tottenham is a better place without you.

- Kh, London UK

The more these people kill eachother, the less we taxpayers have to pay keeping them in jail after they are caught. How many millions of pounds does it cost us to keep one of these punks inside for 20 years?

- Chris, London

now while i have sympathy wih Lulu (despite her victim mentality), as a former tottenham resident, (i only left because i was offered a house in east london), i resent her implication that the area this incident took place is a ghetto and she is being intimidated because she is white. Its interesting how she is at pains to describe the ethnicity of people she thinks hate her. perhaps if she discarded her stereotypical view of the area and its diverse community and did not look down her nose at people (so you're white and middle class - so are many people in tottenham, doesn't make you better than them), she would be able to deal with her community, rather than live in this seemingly self imposed fear she has. For those of you who don't know tottenham - its not as bad as Lulu would like you to think. In fact the area where this incident occurred is more wood green than tottenham.

- Kh, London UK

What kind of 23 year old has a Range Rover anyway?

- Sarah Bradshaw, Enfield, Middx

I never knew him but all indications are that he was definitely a low life scum.

- Albert Swift, Aberdeen, Scotland

So, howd did a 23-year old afford a Range Rover? Let me guess. Hard work NOT. Why have we imported these types of problems into this country, when for years we worked to solve them? I used to be an active member of Wood Green Labour Party, campaigning for a better future for ordinary working people and now I see what has happened where all sorts have been allowed into the country and they don't respect us or our ways.

- Sue R, London

23 and driving a range rover...sure does look dodgy

- Rsaviour, london

"A police officer friend of mine told me that many police are happy when this sort of thing happens (unless he victim is a valued informant) as it removes the problem without needing to resort to the formalties of the criminal justice system

- Nick Jameson, Fulham, London" Well Nick maybe if your Police friend and his colleagues actually did there job , people like this wouldn't be on the street and things like this wouldn't happen , where innocent by standers could have been killed but looking at the police of today a nat has more intelligence .

- Adam, london

Thanks god the child was un hurt, as for the victim, good riddance to any scum gang banger.

- Brandon Thomas, SW7

- Vop, London

What difference does it make if someone met him or not?? Drug dealers ARE low life. That's a fact.

- Sarah Bradshaw, Enfield, Middx

All the joys of nuLabours vibrant socialist utopia, don't you just love it.

- Frank, Dorchester Dorset

Crime never pays.

- Ancient Wisdom, London, England

@ Vop, the low-life tag gets stuck with those who lead gangland lives. The murdered man is described as a gangster who ran with a gang for several years. Guns and drugs (and maybe turf wars) seemed not unknown to his lifestyle. This wasn't a random shooting or else others in the car would have been injured or killed. This was a calculated gang EXECUTION. Any death is tragic to family and friends. Only a very few of us are targeted for gangland killings - says a lot about the lifestyle.

- Mike, London

Lulu London

how very honestly put, I lived by there 7 years and made sure I got out.

Vile people in a vile area.

- P Staker, Londonistan.

Society's fault?

Nobody put the crack into the pipe... nobody made him smoke off his life... he thought that he could play don and be cool...

Fool... he played himself.

- Sanjay, Hounslow, UK

He described his brother as a “lovely, caring person”
Presumably he meant lovely, caring except for the misery his alleged drug dealing caused?

- Bob, Cheam

If the police are aware of such people why are their children not in care to protect them from such situations like this.
Once again the child protection services have failed this child, and unfortunatly this child has had to witness this shooting.
My father shot himself in front of me with a Sentinal .22 Magnum revolver when I was 15 years old and I have never ever got over it.
I dread to think of what this child is now going through.
Again and Again the policy's of this government are failing us day in and day out.
How many more people will have to die and suffer under this Regime so called running this country for their own gains without any thought for the very people they are supposed to serve.
Take the Children from these people and put them in care away from the parents who think crime is the way forward in this country

- Michael Fincham, London

So these well known gangsters are free to walk the streets shooting people with impunity.

When are the Police going to arrest the lot of them and when are the courts going to pass sentences that keep them away from the rest of us for a menaningful period of time?

Patently the answer to that is not until we get rid of this appalling Labour government, a government that has well earned the right to be called the criminals friend.

- Matthew, London, UK

Vop confirmed gang memebr therefore low life.

Exposed a five year old child to extreme danger what else can you call him. People who don't want to live by the rules of society deserve no respect. People who support or sympathise with them are little better.

- Duncan, Kent

VOP, gangster = low life. The maths is simple. Perhaps his son won't grow up to be a criminal which is some small consolation. However this may be wishful thinking as criminals have another equation, 1 death = 1 revenge death.

- Dan, Manchester

No - just the kid.

- Rob, London

Of course Rob - goes without saying.

- Nowan King, London

I suppose you knew him, in order for you to class him as a low life???

- Vop, london

I have the misfortune to live right near to this area - the whole place is awful a haven for turkish and black gangs and generally lots of scumbags with hundreds of children who don't want to work or contribute to the community other than to play music as loudly as possible and argue in the street
We moved here from Hackney as we wanted to buy a house and even on two very good salaries were outpriced everywhere else - having lived in Hackney it never occured to me that our skin colour and class would be an issue (we are a young white middle class couple) sadly it is here and I am constantly intimidated by the lowlife that reside here an example I took a bus home and walked half way about a 45 minute walk to be shouted at and followed by a group of girls, pushed out of the way at a crossing by two black men and then shouted at by a black guy smoking a joint, this sadly is not even a one off. Its a shame becasue the houses are actually really pretty, we have two lovely conservation areas nearby and there are lots of hardworking couples and familes from all backgrounds, These scumbags need to be dealt with and removed - if this guy was involved with a gang then good riddance

- Lulu, london

Gangsters? Pah, just criminal scum more like.

- Anthony, Esher, Surrey

Loads of shootings going on but not to kill ? Well that shows his mental prowess. So is he saying they are trained with guns? Why the outcry ,He who lives by the sword E.T.C.
Obviously no regard for his passengers and if they killing each other whats the problem. Saves the police some work.
Yes, a shame if some one innocent cops it but ,if the so called gangsters put them on the front line well thats their fault.
Why give them the name gangsters ? No respect, no code of conduct.There just gun totting wanna b,s. He has agood British name, as usual ???

- Allan, Brasil

A police officer friend of mine told me that many police are happy when this sort of thing happens (unless he victim is a valued informant) as it removes the problem without needing to resort to the formalties of the criminal justice system

- Nick Jameson, Fulham, London

No - just the kid.

- Rob, London

And are we expected to feel sorry for this low-life?

- Nowan King, London

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