Gordon Brown: Wootton Bassett hate march inappropriate
Nicholas Cecil, Deputy Political Editor4 Jan 2010
Downing Street today signalled that it may oppose a march by an Islamic group through Wootton Bassett.
Anjem Choudary, the leader of Islam4UK — a branch of the extremist al-Muhajiroun movement — plans to parade through the Wiltshire town which regularly honours British soldiers killed in Afghanistan.
Civic leaders have begged him to reconsider his proposal for 500 members to carry empty coffins to symbolise Muslim victims of the conflict.
The Prime Minister's spokesman said: “His view is that anything considered offensive or of concern to the families of troops either wounded or killed would be completely inappropriate.”
The comments came after the leader of the controversial Islamic group vowed to continue with plans for a march through Wootton Bassett in an online letter to families of fallen soldiers.
A Facebook site dedicated to preventing the march has already attracted over 120,000 members.
But last night Mr Choudary - who wants a withdrawal of troops from the country - re-stated his reasons for the march on his website.
In the long letter entitled "To the families of British soldiers who have fallen", he also mis-spells the name of the market town.
Mr Choudary said: "It is worth reminding those who are still not blinded by the media propaganda that Afghanistan is not a British Town near Wootton Basset but rather Muslim land which no one has the right to occupy, with a Muslim population who do not deserve their innocent men, women and children to be killed for political mileage and for the greedy interests of the oppressive US and UK regimes.
"The procession in Wootton Basset is therefore an attempt to engage the British publics minds on the real reasons why their soldiers are returning home in body bags and the real cost of the war."
Earlier Mr Choudary, 42, a former lawyer, explained that the march was being held "not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military" but of the Muslims he says have been "murdered in the name of democracy and freedom".
The event - if permitted by police - will be a peaceful one, with "symbolic coffins" being carried to honour Muslim victims of the conflict.
But the walk will not coincide with the return of a dead soldier's body, Mr Choudary added.
Hundreds of people line the market town's High Street regularly to watch servicemen's bodies being driven through from RAF Lyneham.
Ex-mayor and councillor Chris Wannell said of the idea: "We don't do what we do at Wootton Bassett for any political reason at all, but to pay our respects to those who have given their lives for our freedom.
"We are a Christian country and a traditional old English market town who honour very much our Queen and country. We obey the law and pay respects to our servicemen who protect our freedom.
"If this man has any decency about him he will not hold a march through Wootton Bassett."
He also called on the media not to give the group any attention.
North Wiltshire MP James Gray said the thousands who appear on the roadside at Wootton would not be drawn into political conflict with the group.
He said: "They will say, these are foolish people making a silly point - we'll get on with our ordinary lives thank you.
"This also misunderstands the nature of what the people of Wootton Bassett do. They are not blood-thirstily in favour of the war. Most people would say they were not qualified to comment on the rightness or wrongness.
"The people of Wootton Bassett are decent, quiet, pragmatic people and they'll stay at home instead (of reacting to the march)."
Secretary of Wootton Bassett British Legion Anne Bevis urged the group to think "long and hard" before marching.
Wiltshire Police said they were aware of the "significant community concern" caused by the proposal. A spokeswoman said the force would have to approve details before permitting the march and may even prohibit it.
Setting out its purpose, the Facebook group which opposes the march states: "This group is a non-political group. This group is to stop the proposed March by Islam4Uk extremists through the town of Wootton Bassett. The Highway for Heroes and wonderful people of WB do not deserve this march to happen.
"This group can march anywhere it wishes in the country but have chosen to cause outrage and offence."
Some postings suggest blocking the roads or writing to local councillors, while others take a more strident line. One contributor said simply: "I want my England back."
Reader views (97)
From your last news dated 5/1/2010 that Anjem Choudary want to march with his co-equip in Wootton Basset, i found it degrading and disrecptful for someone like him talking to the prime minister of a country by proposing a debate between PM and Omar Bakry,otherwise they will march,anyway is not his fault is the the fault of the government that allows the muslim to do whatever they like in this country,is a shame for someone like him earning free benefit and free house opening his wide dirty mouth to say rubbish against the soldiers that lost thier live in a war,this guy should be ban from earning benefit and throw out of this country,let forget about human right, because people like him that hate the country and his not ready to respects the law and regulation of this country should be cast out.
- Anderson W., london, uk, 09/01/2010 19:47
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do i live in ENGLAND where the ENGLISH are suppose to live or a COUNTRY where the ENGLISH are the minoroty. Let this man march with his coffins because WE THE ENGLISH dare not do any different, for fear of being called racist and causing a upset. Try telling YOUR government how you feel and the reply will be YOU AS A ENGLISH PERSON cannot say that as it is against someone's rights and that wont be YOURS thats for sure
- Jo, worksop notts, 07/01/2010 22:30
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Unfortunately this fine upstanding British gentleman and recipient of the UK benefit system, does have a point. We have invaded Afghanistan illegally and, as with Iraq, have committed genocide against the inhabitants of that country. Our soldiers have been ordered by our establishment elite, to occupy the country by force in order to counteract terrorism here in the UK, are we serious?
These wars, brought about by lies and deliberate misinformation by members of the establishment, should be brought to an end immediately and our troops brought home to counteract the terrorist threat by these British gentlemen here within our country. Those responsible for initiating the illegal wars should be tried for treason and suffer the full penalty of the law.
As for the proposed demonstration by the Islam4UK fanatics in Wootton Bassett, in protest against our military personnel whom they accuse of being Nazi's, are they as well as their UAF supporters who march with them not British? If so they are also guilty of treason and should be punished, if not by the law, then by every able bodied person of British descent who can be in Wootton Bassett to oppose them.
For too long have we tolerated these Islamic and UAF fascists, demonstrating against our chosen way of life now, let them now reap as they would sow.
- Peter Lucas, Torquay, England, 07/01/2010 13:58
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I for one will make sure that if this scum are allowed to march through a town that all british people should be rightly proud of, will make sure that i am at the end of that town to stop them, and so should every other decent british person
- Pete, bishops stortford, herts, 05/01/2010 19:35
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I am appalled by the plans made by the Muslim who live in OUR COUNTRY, (ENGLAND).
The best course of action is for everyone to close their shops and businesses, media, and everybody in Wootton Bassett should turn their backs and ignore anything these people do.Stay in doors and totally ignore them. The police should even stay out of sight. Do not react to this disgusting hehaviour we are better than that.
- Sue Reynolds, Sept-Freres, Calvados, France, 05/01/2010 12:30
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Arrest them for not assimulating into society.
They are trouble makers - deport them with their 120 relatives ASAP.
You Brits need to wake up and get these people OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
One family member marching - they all have to leave - within a month ! You will have less trouble if you start making much stricter rules. It's more than ridiculous how you tolerate this radical muslim behaviour.
GET THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
- R, Tucson, AZ, 05/01/2010 05:35
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let them do what they want but have no police there and tell that if they do march then its their fault.If they then turn round and say they need protection then say yes but it will cost you x amount as we have told you not to do it,then see if goes ahead...
- Dave, middle england,uk, 05/01/2010 00:07
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Come on Gordon,have the guts to make a decision or two for once. Ban this protest march and despatch Mr.Choudery from our shores.
- Teddy, Hereford England, 04/01/2010 20:30
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I wonder what reaction there would be if we did a march like this in Iran.To me this is treason against our country I would let them march round them up lock them up and throw away the key.
- Pete, ashton in makerfield, 04/01/2010 19:22
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Stop his benefits. He is obviously not actively seeking work.Why should the British taxpayer have to support him and his family? He is a lazy,racist anti-British scumbag.
- Jan, Cork, Ireland, 04/01/2010 18:03
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It makes no sense to cry, this man is doing exactly what he pleases in the same way NICK GRIFFEN did. The public are not stupid and this will of course only make "us" more hardened to these figures of hardline islamism.
- Tony, Hove England, 04/01/2010 18:01
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What qualifications does Mr Choudary have to call himself a preacher? He is yet another example of so-called preachers who are nothing but hate spewing extremists and gang leaders, and they need to be dealt with accordingly. Enough of this country being held hostage by this scum.
- Richard Eader, London, 04/01/2010 17:58
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This is how it starts ...
- Israel, Israel, 04/01/2010 17:40
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Let them march - they could have a song or two to march to. They (the local authorities) could broadcast, extremely loudly, LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY (England´s true anthem), and any other rousing hymns, with a marching rhythm.
Like the dream of one contributor, if only!!!
- Petra, alicante, spain, 04/01/2010 17:31
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If they want to march through the town have them march straight onto a plane for removal to a nice muslim country where they can hate us as much as they like.
- Gordon, Slough, 04/01/2010 17:28
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Comments above could not be clearer. The truth is the UK does not accept muslim ideas and violence. People of the UK and Wooton Basset have stood to honour their fine soldiers. They died protecting the peace of unarmed civilians against violent dictators who claim superiority by violence, kill unarmed people, and terrorise weak communities to force them to submit to backward rules to take their freedom and enforce control over every aspect of their lives.
These muslims fail to understand, or discard, freedom and free societies. Islam says they are superior to all, others are inferior, and they are encouraged to kill others to make them submit to islam.
Essentially Islam is like the Nazis; with dictators, masses of rules run by elite insiders who claim unearned superiority and milk expenses, while all non germans were inferior and made to submit by violence. Hitler made his Final Solution after meeting Allah Khan in 1926 who explained total isamic jihad to annihilate all jews.
Labour never criticise muslims as they want votes. They spent billions to get muslims in, giving them homes and welfare for all the families of one man, funding radical groups and giving hate preachers benefits.
Labour say they like fair equality, yet promote muslims who insist they are superior to all others. Labour talk one thing for votes and act the opposite for opposite votes.
Brown, Bliar and Campbell must be tried for their lies and deception about WMD.
- Sonat, iran, 04/01/2010 17:27
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"I don't understand how an openly fascist,racist and bigoted group can be allowed to hold any marches in the UK while the so called league against fascism turns a blind eye and never oppose these islam nazi's. WHY ?"
Joe-Swanley.
The answer is simple; any expression of British patriotism, which may suggest that immigration, multiculturalism and the dilution and marginalisation of our established heritage and culture has gone too far is labelled, wrongly, as "fascist", whilst anyone who supports the destruction of Britain can do no wrong.
The thought of these enemies of Britain being allowed to spew their anti-British, anti-Christian and pro-terrorist bile in the streets of Wooton Basset is absolutely abhorrent.
Sadly, NuLiebour's Human rights Act will see that they not only march, but that they will do so protected by an army of Police officers.
I only hope that the size and force of any counter-demonstration is sufficient to stop it in its tracks, violently if necessary.
- Keith Lonsdale, Doncaster, 04/01/2010 17:19
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My, my, he really does have you lot in a tizz doesn't he! It doesn't even seem that most of you have even read the article before getting yourselves all worked up. From the comments I have read no one has actually given a reason why he shouldn't organise a peaceful march through Wootton Basset, or anywhere else for that matter, as long as it isn't offensive or inciteful I have no problem with it, and if it is then it is a matter for the police. To be honest I don't think it'll go ahead and lets face it, it doesn't need to now... you have done his work for him.
- Nj, London, 04/01/2010 17:19
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What does one expect if the Prime Minister's reaction is to use wishy-washy words like 'inappropriate' - rather than 'will not be tolerated'! Clearly, pandering to the Muslim votes in the general election. This is a hate-filled organisation, the kind that helped to indoctrinate the Detroit bomber and we are still tolerating them when it is doubtful that moderate muslims will tolerate them.
- Liz, London, 04/01/2010 17:18
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I agree that Anjum Choudhry is not a fit person to continue to live in the UK. Neither is he fit to represent Islam. I have read all the comments posted here and it and was astounded to see how many people see him and other fanatics like him as "representatives of Islam".
Were the Nazis all Christian fanatics? Are all Irish Republicans who have been killing innocents all these years Christian terrorist? Do / did these people represent true Christianity? If not, then please try to understand that fanaticism has got no place in Islam and any one who indulges in or incites violence cannot be said to be a Muslim in any sense.
Sadly it appears that the media only gives coverage to these lunatics and their activities.
These people are best ignored and preferably given a very short time to to leave the UK or else they should be detained for promotion of religious hatred.
- A Raza, London, England, 04/01/2010 17:14
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In Scotland I think they introduced some legislation regarding "sectarianism"? I suspect this proposed march is only to raise publicity for his "cause". Let it go ahead but lets give it zero publicity.
- Jim, London, 04/01/2010 16:53
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One thing is for sure,they would not have the guts to do this in Italy.
- David Nigel Braham, Milan Italy, 04/01/2010 16:51
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I don't understand how an openly fascist,racist and bigoted group can be allowed to hold any marches in the UK while the so called league against fascism turns a blind eye and never oppose these islam nazi's. WHY ?
- Joe, Swanley Kent, 04/01/2010 16:38
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Happy new Year to everyone and now let them march if they want to a, because it is a democracy and they have the right and b, the great slumbering british public might wake up and do something about the islamic threat, "might" I said.
- Gary, London, 04/01/2010 16:35
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I think the demonstration should be greeted with placards detailing the MILLIONS of deaths caused by Islamic jihadist violence from the hundreds of thousands in Algeria, to tourists in Egypt, to the Mumbai attacks, to the latest attacks in Pakistan. Make it clear that we are not stupid, we know what they intend!
- Sue R, London, 04/01/2010 16:22
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This useless government will never stand up to these extremists because at heart Labour are a bunch of appeasing cowards,it is up to the decent British people to vote for a government at the coming election who will deal with these extremists,the future of our beloved country is in our hands,i'm sure when Cameron becomes PM he will throw off his sheeps clothing and show his true colours.
- Carol Taylor, romford england, 04/01/2010 16:20
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These peasants are proposing, and indeed may be allowed to march through carefully chosen Wootton Bassett inciting hatred, so clearly potential if not existing terrorists, yet if I took a photograph of the bus station in Walthamstow London where I live I might have police surrounding me and confiscating my film, as has already happened to two Austrian tourists. The leaders and would-be leaders of this country are insane.
- Judith C, London, England, 04/01/2010 16:16
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Now that is being real tough on them Mr Brown,you have told them in no uncertain terms that their planned action is inappropriate,next they can expect an Asbo,thats sure to do the trick.Im glad we in the UK do not have a weak and pathetic leader that has managed to take political correctness to new levels of insanity.
- Dave, london, 04/01/2010 16:15
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The march is looking to court controversy and it has already achieved this, lets just hope that as a result we can have a show of unity from the many sensible people left in the UK.
This is a christian country, and we welcome all, as long as they live within the law, as the vast majority do. Those who do not, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and we should start to deport those that are coming to the UK and clearly at odds with our way of life and our values.
- Daniel, London, 04/01/2010 16:15
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Maybe King Richard I was right...time for another Crusade.
- David, guildford uk, 04/01/2010 16:10
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How many BNP MP will get voted in on the back of this???
- Very Angry At Mp'S Expenses, Home Counties, 04/01/2010 16:08
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Iam sick and tired of this attetion seeking publicity seeker with a mouth like a drain, how dare he,why is our goverment soooooo weak.He should go and join his muslim brother Omar Bakri in the Lebanon, and tell me why is he NOT protesting in London against his fellow Muslim killing Muslim in Pakistan Afghanistan, etc etc, WILL SOMEONE PLEASE STOP THIS OBNOXOUS HORRIBLE LITTLE BEARDED IDIOT, IV HAD IT WITH HIM AND HIS RELIGEOUS RENEGADES.
- Bibi Hafiza, croydon, 04/01/2010 16:08
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Inappropriate! Sock it to them Gordon!
- I.J., Harwich, 04/01/2010 15:51
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Gordon thinks the march inappropriate - not sitting on the fence then. All this is going the same way as the BNP and Question Time. Let the idiots do it and this time lets not have a tv camera or reporter in sight. Although the whole idea is repugnant the more it is talked about in the media, the more air time this lunatic gets. NuLabour have encouraged these people to come to this country and stood by why they openly preached hatred of the west to their followers. Their one aim in life is a single world religious order namely Islam. Now, either we stand idly by and continue to let it happen or our government wakes up and starts doing something about it. The threat to our way of life, comes not from abroad; but is home grown - the enemy within.
- Brian G, Norfolk Gorleston, 04/01/2010 15:43
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Porky Pies, judging by their past record the UAF will be marching with them. They might as well be called Unite Alongside Fundamentalism.
- Kevin T, Beckenham, Kent, 04/01/2010 15:42
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I agree with previous comments posted - let them march, but don't police it, see how many turn up without the cushion of a police presence to protect them from the rightly "fed up with muslims/islam" public. And if they are all so unhappy here, why don't they just leave? Oh, sorry, they'd not get any benefits .......
- Daisy, Romford, Essex, 04/01/2010 15:26
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And where will the UAF be when this march is happening?
- Porky Pies, Land Of Make Believe, London, 04/01/2010 15:24
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Even if the British media ignored this march, it would be filmed by the marchers for their own extremist websites on the internet, so ignoring it will not work. These marchers are part of a branch of an extemist group - isn't there a law banning public gatherings of extremist religious groups of more than so many people or was that just another hollow promise by this spineless government ?
- Lynn, Bromley, London, 04/01/2010 15:23
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Deport to his country of origin not birth, what I fail to understand is if these Muslims don't like our culture society etc, why not exercise their right to leave?
- Lance Johnson, Canterbury, Kent, 04/01/2010 15:16
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Get all Muslims out of our country NOW! Let them return when they have the respect that any other visit to our shores shows.
STOP all monies that these death dealers receive from our government.
If they dont like our country LEAVE!
- David, London, 04/01/2010 15:12
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Why has this man not been prosecuted for inciting religious hatred. Are the police really that scared of him? Can a state truly be scared of this one man and his sorry band of followers? He does not speak for the Muslim world and many Muslims would be grateful if this rabble rouser would just shut up.
- Cameron, London, 04/01/2010 15:10
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All religious preaching is divisive hogwash and should be ignored.
It has been and continues to be used by people of evil or dubious intent to spread death, despair, and hatred all over the world throughout mankind's history.
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Prove otherwise.
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All good people, who haven't already been unfortunately brainwashed, should shut their ears to all similar sanctimonious and wicked bile, in my humble opinion.
Regards
- J B Blackett, Hendon, 04/01/2010 15:08
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"Where are the moderate Muslims" blah blah blah.
Anytime ANYTHING bad/negative is done by a Muslim anywhere in the world we have the same "Where are the moderate Muslims/clerics" etc etc. Actually, they regularly speak up but, surprise surprise, the media don't cover this.
When Finsbury Park mosque was still illegally controlled by nutters they had a well publicised offensive event on the anniversary of 9/11. On the same day there was another event held at London Central Mosque to commemorate the dead from there and from around the world. Guess which one got coverage in the press?
The aim of this man is to stir up hatred between Muslims and non Muslims in the wider population. Most of the people on here are reacting exactly how this loathsome man wants them to.
If you look at research published in December by the Open Society Institute, an independent think tank, they demonstrated through research in 11 European countries that Muslims in Britain are the most patriotic of the lot. But don't let facts get the way of a good anti-Muslim/Islam rant.
- Stg, Peckham, London, 04/01/2010 15:04
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How simply appalling. Send them back to where they came. No marches allowed there and NO benefits either.
This inept Brown Government (one cannot call it a Government actually) has simply no idea about feelings of people, such an insult. It should be STOPPED.
- Maggi Nixon, London, 04/01/2010 14:46
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When I read people talk about moderate muslims I think ministers,Prime minister in particular must be stupid or think everyone else is so.Jack Straw has said that he thinks police officers prefer to stay in the station doing paper work rather than go out on the streets,well I'd like him to go out onto the streets dressed as a policeman,my daughter Italian,has just come back from London.She watched the New Year firework display and told me that the police were really kind and extremely well organised but she was horrified by the way the police officers were treated by muslim men,ridiculed and treated with utter contempt.I presume they are the moderate muslims everyone in government refers to.She said you could see the hate on their faces when looking at the police officers.So Mr Jack Straw who's the person that has managed to put the police force in this situation
- Lindona, italy, 04/01/2010 14:41
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Choudary's reason doing this is simple. He wants confrontation. If it gets violent all that better as he will then recruit more gullible Muslins to his cause.
- John David, London, 04/01/2010 14:30
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I left England 12 years ago,and I am ashamed to see what a weak gutless nation we have turned into,how can these gutless cowards be allowed to march through a town where our brave soldiers who have paid the ultimate sacrifice are given their last post.If I were to go to any muslim country as a white christian and try to march in the same manner I would be torn to shreds by a baying mob.England is a WHITE,CHRISTIAN country we respect other beliefs Jewish,Hindu,Buddhist and Muslim,but it is only the latter that seems to want to stir up trouble,my advice to any Muslim that is unhappy in the way that England is run is to go and live in a country with Sharia law,you are not welcome in England.I now live in a mainly Buddhist country and go out of my way to respect the religion of my hosts,if I didnt I would be rightly out on my ear,as should this mob,if they were born in this country send them back to their parents land of birth,they wouldnt last 5 minutes.
- Jim Ex Pat,Islington N1, thailand, 04/01/2010 14:26
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First and foremost all organised religions are buisiness enterprises ,hence the reason they promote large families.
More devotees to the cause.
- Barry Deane, Richmond, United Kingdom, 04/01/2010 14:22
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OK. Let's march through his mosque.
- Jamal Akhbar, Edinburgh, 04/01/2010 14:22
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Let them march - shut the town down, keep them marching all the way to RAF Lyneham(a few miles further on). I'm sure that once there, they would have an eager welcoming party to herd them on to planes never to be seen again(sorry that was a dream that I had last night).
- Mark Burton, St Ives. Cambs, 04/01/2010 13:55
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Instead of giving millions of pounds to the Yemeni government to help them combat terrorism - Gordon Brown ought to be directing that money towards the providing resources/manpower required to flush out and deport all muslim extremists currently living in this country. He is deluded in his belief that can "save the world" when really he is just pathologically addicted to photo opportunities with Barak Obama. His arrogance is staggering.
- R.F.York, Yorks, UK, 04/01/2010 13:48
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Give this odious creep all the publicity he wants. The unsustainability of our continuing to foster a soi-disant "Muslim Nation" within our nation needs to be brought to a head so that all can see it, and the sooner the better.
- Frederick James, London, England, 04/01/2010 13:47
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Let them march and IGNORE them! The town should get on with its daily activities and nobody should even look at them. But, the time has come for politicians to listen to the anger of the British public. People whose only aim in life is to destroy the values of this country should not be able to live off it. Britain should not be a passport of convenience and a doorway to benefits.
- Beatriz, London, 04/01/2010 13:35
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The halfwitted psychopath Brown was bleating yesterday about "moderate Muslims". But he doesn't care what sort they are as long as they vote Labour.
- Mikes, London, 04/01/2010 13:19
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Where are the comments and response from the so called "moderate" muslims that say they are proud to be British. A no show yet again.
- Sarah, London, 04/01/2010 13:14
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Totally Confused: the right to demonstrate is not really at issue here, is it? No one in a democracy - something sadly asbent in most if not all Muslim countries - would deny the right to protest, no matter how obnoxious this march would be.
This suggested march is to be set in exactly the place where our dead soldiers are first received back to the public of this country. It is a delibertatly confrontational march, designed to cause the maximum ditress to the relatives and friends of those dead servicemen and women and to the people of Wootton Bassett.
If this was a genuine march with a genuine political message or aim, it could be carried out in London. This march is intended to hurt and distress, just the sort of behaviour from someone or some people who would not understand democracy if it hit them in the face. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of a silent protest, I also agree with Julia that our apologist, wishy-washy, liberal, left-leaning media would give it all the oxygen of publicity that the organisers want.
- Arthur Billposter, London, 04/01/2010 12:52
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let them have their little display and ignore them - democracy will be all the stronger for it.
- Cj, London, 04/01/2010 12:51
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Let this silly man do his thing but do not close the street for him.
I am certain not one person is Wootton Bassett will line the streets or even pay attention. Better that they just stay in their shops and offices and carry on with their day ignoring these buffoons.
The less media coverage they get on the day the better.
Frankly, I am getting rather fed up with the Islamic faith. I do not hear other religions preach death, preach killing, or protest against our state, country or ideals. I would rather think that the Prophet is not very happy with the conduct of his faithful in this century. But let them protest and make fools of themselves.
- Lester May, London, 04/01/2010 12:50
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Choudary is trying to stir things up - we need leaders of the moderate British muslim community to condemn him and his provocative antics. Choudary is supporting the fascistic women hating Taliban not ordinary Afghan people.
- Derek, London, 04/01/2010 12:44
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Two questions: 1. Where are all the so-called moderate muslims who should be condemning this insensitive and offensive proposal.
2.Why is this scumbag Anjem Choudary allowed to continue with his campaign of hate and indoctrination of young muslims which could well result in acts of terrorism in the future.
- Alan, Essex
Alan, VERY good questions Sir!
I too have been asking for years now, since 9/11 :
Why aren't the moderate Muslim clerics around the world condemning these extremist terrorists (like those belonging to Al-Qaeda) and saying that they are not Muslims but simply deranged lunatics who do not represent Islam?
I find this lack of condemnation from the wider Islamic Community deeply disturbing.
And as for our disgusting traitorous government under Chairman Brown I don't expect anything but for him to dither, lie and spin in the hope that these people will vote Liebour at the election.
- Dan, London, UK, 04/01/2010 12:43
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Anjem Choudary is British Middle Class and he is a qualified sollicitor. He studied at Southampton Uni as a med student, then switched to Law. The tax payer paid for him to study there while he was allegedly drinking, womanising, taking drugs and almost never going to the mosque. The taxpayer now pays for him and his family(wife and 3 kids) to live. He has reportedly left his wife. I fail to understand how a qualified sollicitor is allowed to live off benefits. If he isn't looking for work then his benefits should be stopped.
- Alex C, London, 04/01/2010 12:42
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Why are you and all the media reporting on this guy-and giving him credibility as a result.The shame isn't on anyone other than the media who by reporting on this kind of thing will neither whip up support against or outrage for anything but only encourage those already warped enough to do so to join up with these types.The pen is mightier than the sword in this case.
- Amoreno, Luxembourg, 04/01/2010 12:28
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Kevin Anderson of Texas, whilst I appreciate your support for our troops in Afghanistan, I also can't help thinking that if it wasn't for the U.S using Afghanistan as a political pawn, none of us would be in this mess. Yes, Choudary is scum, and yes, he should be imprisoned for inciting racial hatred, but his question of why our troops are fighting in Afghanistan is a valid one. Maybe the next time the US decides to pump weapons into a country for their own political gain, they should take the time to do a little clean up afterwards rather than leaving the civilians to deal with it. If this had been the case then maybe we wouldn't be in the terrible situation we're in now and many more British, American and Afghan soldiers would still be alive today!
- Chris, London, 04/01/2010 12:27
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Let'em march and just ignore them .... apart from making a note of names and addresses. Any of them on job-seekers or incapacity benefits will obviously not be actively seeking jobs or unfit to walk, so deny them any further payments.
- Paul, London, 04/01/2010 12:24
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If a Nationalist group, including the non racist English Defence League
tried this, they'd be banned.
The truth is, very few Muslims identify themselves as "moderate", so
Labour appeases all Muslims, however extreme.
Think who has easy access to Downing Street, & who gets honours,
not "moderates"
The police are hamstrung & cannot ban demos by immigrants for
fear of being "racist"
In 1940 demos by German immigrants in support of Hitler were frowned on.
The government is still in denial about the Islamist war on our civilisation,
though the islamists are quite open about it.
- Convenient Truth, Reading, 04/01/2010 12:21
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This is a man that should be laughed at and ignored. If the media (including the Standard) ignored him then you deny him his reason to exist.
Some of the comments though - "Do not let these Muslim thugs push you around on your homeland. They are the reason for all this evil in our world".
No, they are not "the reason for all this evil in our world". Simplistic nonsense like that from the US is no less simplistic than these Muslims branding the UK and the US as "the reason for all this evil in our world".
- Stg, Peckham, London, 04/01/2010 12:20
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This is a Brilliant idea from those that are said to represent Islam in the UK. They should be allowed to do it.
It will clearly show the intent of Muslims in the UK. It will show the aims and direction that Islam has for this country. It will show our government as the supporters not of free speech – as they would not allow all other organisations the same freedoms - but of the aims of the Muslim population to change the direction of this country.
- Ian B, Reading, England, 04/01/2010 12:18
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Thats democracy for you!
- Paxton, N17, 04/01/2010 12:17
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Islam4UK have chosen Wootton Bassett for maximum impact. The only way to deal with these people is to starve them of any media attention.
- Paul, London, 04/01/2010 12:16
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As most of these scumbags ponce off the state, how will they get there, oh sorry it will be provided by the income support and benefits that they falsly claim, not any of their own money as that goes to killing and maiming our soliders.
- Dec, london, 04/01/2010 12:11
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"Joe Public needs to know WHY this Choudary creep is still living in the UK?"
Because unlike his idol Omar Bakri Muhammad, Chaudary is a British citizen - he was born in Welling. So where would you deport him to - and on what grounds would you persuade this other country to take him?
- Michael, London, 04/01/2010 12:09
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In parading through the town the man pays a compliment to Britain's liberal democracy. In utilising freedoms that he is on record as wishing to deny others he reveals himself a hypocrite.
In short, in organising such a march Mr Choudary destroys his own argument, and shows us, and the world, just how strong British society is.
- Tv, Hounslow, 04/01/2010 12:06
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I used to live in Israel so I know how these people behave, basically treacherous and blood thirsty. They should be barred from entering Wootton Bassett.
- Gabriel, Edinburgh UK, 04/01/2010 11:55
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Anjem Choudary is a publicity seeking buffoon.
- Carl, London, 04/01/2010 11:51
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Its no good looking to our corrupt government for guidance or action against nutters like Choudhary,they are in league with the communist devil and merely treading water until the election comes around,Obama is made of the same indecisive and spineless material,God help the free world and democracy.
- Jacob, Bent Kent Region1648A EUSSR, 04/01/2010 11:45
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These people should be treated like the blackshirts were in the 1930s and the local people be allowed to defend themselves in the same way as the residents of Cable Street.
- Mike Constable, Islington, London, 04/01/2010 11:41
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Suppose the Wiltshire police gave it the go-ahead, but refused to police it? Would the wannabe talibaners show up, do you think?
- Joe Soap, Reading, UK, 04/01/2010 11:39
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I thought in a democracy the majority have their way, the minority have their say...so, we've heard his point of view now, so should have no compunction in banning this disrespectful and disgusting march.
- Alexander, London, 04/01/2010 11:38
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H'mmm. I have read what this group wish to do and am of the opinion that they want this reaction. To all the people who may not understand, they are wishing to highlight real cost of war, showing other deaths caused by British soldiers, not just British lives lost. Government wish the public not to realize this as support is down for this war. To those who are anti - muslim, shame on you trying to divide communities as NF did in the 70's. We are one nation, and yes we can have different views which should be aired in a non confrontational manner. I thought that was the point.
- Sib, swindon, uk, 04/01/2010 11:35
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Free speech is one of the most cherished freedoms we have in this country. It will be a sad day if we deny that freedom to some fellow Brits just because of their religion, ethnic origin etc.
If Mr Choudary and his friends wish to protest about what they consider to be the evil wars unleashed on Muslims around the world by our government in alliance with the US military industrial complex, and the consequent deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent muslim men women and children, why not?
- Totally Confused, Ex London, 04/01/2010 11:33
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I agree with what Mr Brown is proposing in Yemen etc etc...... BUT.... Let us not ignore the enemy within. Much more dangerous and already here.
- Janicebyrne, sussex, 04/01/2010 11:29
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if this was a right wing group the goverment would ban them from the streets.this man if you can call him that has know idea about loyalty to ones country.see if he would have the benefits and freedom in a muslim country.these man have given there life for there country. people should gagged but this a free country if there is such a thing.
- Rob Sheridan, romford, 04/01/2010 11:26
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It saddens me that Britain is being tarnished by these evil Muslim extremists, you only have to look at the arrogant, smug expressions on their faces to see what they are like. Why don't they just enjoy our world instead of trying to destroy it? They give decent peace-loving Muslims a bad name and make us view them all with suspician.
This just reinforces my opinion that our soldiers must stay in Afghanistan and finish the job by stopping this evil from spreading.
- Angie, Kent, 04/01/2010 11:21
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So, Mr Choudary, if no non-Muslim can occupy this land, why, then, do Muslim Fundamentalists say that all the earth belongs to Allah? Surely, God - as we tend to call Him - allows us the same luxury or is my God different to Allah?
Also,Mr Choudary, what of the Muslims slaugthered by other Muslims? Are you going to have a march in respecvt of them or are they dispensible if it suits your purpose or argument.
Mr Choudary, you're a hypocrite and a throughly obnoxious bigot.
- Arthur Billposter, London, 04/01/2010 11:14
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I bet Wiltshire Police will be good enough to provide these odious individuals with a nice police escortfor their march...and then charge the locals for the privilege.
Or mabye...just mabye, they will have the good sense to prohibit it from taking place at all.
- Mark H, London, England, 04/01/2010 11:12
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Why are we asking these people not to march- we should be telling them they are not allowed to. They are seeking to incite hatred and so encourage terrorist activities - and that is illegal. Innocent civilians die in war, sad but true, but Muslim civilians are encouraged to become bombers -so why complain when a few they didn't recruit also die. Carry empty coffins? These people should be in them! British servicemen are in the ones we carry, and your Muslim homelands aren't worth the sacrifice.
- Forces Supporter, London, England, 04/01/2010 11:12
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Kristy - I think simply closing the town would be a brilliant idea - and give a stronger message than a counter demonstration.
Sadly - the media, who seem to have no ethical judgement, would be unable to resist the temptation to turn up and film - so they woild still get the publicity they want.
- Julia, London, 04/01/2010 11:09
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It's time to draw the line with these people and make it clear that they and their ideas are not wanted in Britain. If you want to live in an Islamic country, under Islamic law, then move to one. It will never happen here and all the likes of Choudary are doing is stirring up hate against those muslims who are happy to be British and just want to get on with their lives.
- Kevin T, Beckenham, Kent, 04/01/2010 11:08
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Kevin,Texas: Unfortunetly we have a weak and pathetic goverment and another on the way in the form of the Conservatives who are like are media obsessed with political correctness.They will bend over backwards for these people.Hopefully after this,the British public will wake up and elect a party that puts British first,instead of its people being treated as second class with no say.
- Dave, london, 04/01/2010 11:05
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Why on earth is Brown sending our soldiers off to Afghanistan to fight terror if we can't even stop lunatics like this in our own country from demonstating?
Makes the conflict seem even more pointless than it already is really.
- Eddie, London, 04/01/2010 11:05
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Joe Public needs to know WHY this Choudary creep is still living in the UK?
- Reuben Camara, Plot 1, Soviet Socialist Republic of Morecambe, (formerly England), 04/01/2010 11:05
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Extremist like him should not be given space in paper nor tv, since it is not healthy for the society. Best for the medias is to ignore him but police should keep him under surveillance.
He does not represent one entire entity in UK, but only his views.
- Flo, London, Colindale, 04/01/2010 11:01
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Two questions: 1. Where are all the so-called moderate muslims who should be condemning this insensitive and offensive proposal.
2.Why is this scumbag Anjem Choudary allowed to continue with his campaign of hate and indoctrination of young muslims which could well result in acts of terrorism in the future.
- Alan, Essex, 04/01/2010 11:00
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Years ago the Ku Klux Klan planned a march through a town in Tennessee and instead of reacting to the march, the citizens of the city simply did not show up; shops closed, no citizens were on the street. It was a ghost town. If there is no audience, there is no point. I am not comparing this group to the KKK, but if you find the march offensive, just shut the town down and they can put on a demonstration for themselves.
- Kristy, Neuilly-sur-Seine, France, 04/01/2010 10:51
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Kevin, sorry, Britain is no longer the land of Churchill. If this was the odious National Front, it would be stopped, because these thugs are white racists. Sadly Britain's rulers have long ago accepted that racism is only a white man's vice. These Islamic racists will thus be given free access to express their views as their 'human rights.' You also need a President who accepts the West is at war with people like Choudray, so these people can be excluded from 'polite' society. Sadly you are also led right now by a weak man who is in PC denial.
- Stephen Rothbart, Prague, Czech Republic, 04/01/2010 10:43
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"Civic leaders begged Mr Choudary to reconsider his proposal for 500 members to walk up the Wiltshire town's High Street, carrying empty coffins"
SHAME ON YOU
- Ben Farrell, London, 04/01/2010 10:32
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Brits,
I respect and honor the service that your soldiers are doing in Afghanistan. Do not let these Muslim thugs push you around on your homeland. They are the reason for all this evil in our world. Stop them from even showing their pathetic faces on the streets.
- Kevin Anderson, Texas USA, 04/01/2010 10:12
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