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Anger as Harriet Harman escapes driving ban for mobile phone crash
Paul Waugh, Rashid Razaq and Martin Bentham8 Jan 2010
Harriet Harman faced acute political embarrassment today as she was accused of getting off lightly for crashing her car while using a mobile phone.
The deputy Labour leader and Cabinet minister admitted driving without due care and attention after the collision with a parked car in Dulwich.
She was fined £350, with £75 costs and a victim surcharge of £15, after her lawyer entered the guilty plea at City of Westminster magistrates' court. Her driving licence was also endorsed with three points.
Road safety groups and MPs were outraged because she kept her licence and a second charge of using a mobile while driving was dropped by prosecutors. Careless driving can be punished with a fine of up to £5,000, up to nine penalty points and a ban.
Tory MP Nigel Evans said: “I suspect there will be a few fuming motorists looking at that judgment and wondering how she got off so lightly.” A leading road safety campaigner said it was “unacceptable”.
Ms Harman, a QC, Privy Council member and former Solicitor General, was not in court to hear the verdict because she was at a Cabinet meeting in Downing Street. The Camberwell and Peckham MP was quizzed by police after she was involved in the collision in July last year, the day she visited the scene of a fire in a Camberwell tower block in which six people died.
It was claimed soon after the incident that Ms Harman wound down her window and told a witness: “I'm Harriet Harman, you know where you can get me.”
Another Tory MP David Davies, who is a special constable, said : “The most serious aspect was leaving the scene without giving full details, which seems to me extremely arrogant.” Cathy Keeler, from road safety campaign group Brake, criticised the decision to drop the mobile phone charge.
“Driving while on a mobile is illegal for the very good reason makes you far more likely to crash because it distracts your attention from the road — which appears to be exactly what happened in this case.”
Michael Jennings, prosecuting, told the court that Ms Harman got into her car while using the phone. “She started the engine using the telephone. It was when she was moving backwards that she hit the car.”
Ms Harman's lawyer Mark Haslam said it was a “parking manoeuvre” at a speed of around 5mph. Ms Harman already had six points on her licence, for two speeding offences.
The Crown Prosecution Service said the mobile phone charge had been dropped because the penalty for driving without due care and attention was greater than that for using a mobile.
The due care and attention offence carries a potential penalty of three to nine points and a fine of up to £5,000.
Director of Public Prosecutions Sir Ken Macdonald toughened government policy towards offenders.
In 2007, he said: “There is widespread public concern about the use of mobile phones and other hand-held electronic equipment while driving.
Neil Greig, of road safety charity IAM, said: “We're pleased the court has given Ms Harman a fairly substantial fine and three points.
“If a government minister admits using a mobile phone while driving, it makes it very difficult for road safety charities to get their message across.”
Reader views (87)
We should make her ride a bicycle for a year, at least she can get away with using her mobile phone then!
Also, next time she is sitting in for our Gordon, she will be fit to run the country.
- E, West London, 10/01/2010 14:20
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Who said justice was blind.
- Shallotman, Basildon, 10/01/2010 08:12
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When crashing into the other vehicle, did she give a thought to the possibility of a child, hidden from her view, being hit and killed as a result of her careless driving?
She is clearly in urgent need of remedial driving tuition.
I trust she has already booked the necessary training lessons.
- Rj, Notts, 09/01/2010 20:10
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As far as the law is concerned justice is seen to be done in this case.However, as usual in this country, the punishment does notfit the crime.Far stiffer fines and summery driving bans should be introduced and enforced for this dangerous practice.
It has been proven that you are four times more likely to be involved in a collision whilst using a hand held mobile phone.
I am an Approved Driving Instructor and cannot believe what I see all day. The worst offenders are White Van Man,Suited and Booted Business Men who can afford a Mercedes but not a hands free kit,which still does`nt make it safe but we wont go there. However to me the worst offenders are young women with children in the car,who appear to be texting and dialing on the move.
There is just no excuse but when you have government ministers setting such an example what do you expect !
- Steve, Bromley, 09/01/2010 15:25
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I thought 'what an outrage', -until I read the article. -May I remind those people foaming at the mouth and in danger of swallowing their dentures, she was apparently just carrying out a parking manoeuvre, -not driving along the road.
I know many would like to see her burned at the stake, but they'll have to wait for a better reason than this!
- Huggy, Cumbernauld Scotland, 09/01/2010 14:07
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Just when I think this nasty excuse for a Government cannot disappointment me even more, they manage to ! The arrogance, the lack of "Honour" and integrity is astounding. Words fail me.
- Al, Kingston, UK, 09/01/2010 12:43
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Bring the election forward, it seems to be one rule for this Labour government and one for the rest of us peasants.
Absolute trivial punishment, if it was you or me, probably would have been banned, with an ASBOS slapped and a fine much higher proportionally than she got.
- Dolly P, London, 09/01/2010 00:36
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Well Bob, at least 2 witnesses have given statements saying that she failed to stop at the scene of an accident. Which is a far more serious offence. Would you like to explain why this was not pursued?
- Mark, London, 08/01/2010 23:54
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For God's sake, stop being a load of Tory misogynist idiots. Bumping lightly into a parked car in no way warrants a driving ban.
If some good old boy (a war veteran, perhaps) had received a similar punishment, you'd all be saying how draconian and anti-motorist it was.
Grow up.
- Matt, Guildford, 08/01/2010 22:24
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"Getting out of a confined space & touching the car behind Get off it guys & gal's we all HAVE to do that sometimes" Really, David Skeggs from Paris France, there is NO have to about it.i I suggest you take some drivng lesson and while you at it take a test. WHY DO YOU THINK YOURE SO IMPORTANT AND THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DAMAGE OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY?
- Chris, Rochester, 08/01/2010 22:09
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According to Harriet's supposed political beliefs, she is a champion of equality.
Should every motorist who knocks a parked car whilst talking on a mobile claim precedence is covered by the Dep. Prime Minister's virtual aquital?
If they do in enough numbers in the run up to the General Election, just watch her try to claim it was different to how reported.
Dump the hypocrit.
- Ken.H, Harrow. UK, 08/01/2010 22:04
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Stop blaming Harman and start demanding the CPS do their dam job fairly and justly, instead of UNFAIRLY and UNJUSTLY.
So it appears yet again, the ‘CPS’ only punishes those it so decides. Hence not a Justice System, more an Injustice System.
Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk
- Carl Barron, Christchurch, Dorset, 08/01/2010 21:50
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An example should have been made. When a policeman commits a crime he/she stiffer sentence. If a teacher breaks his/her code they get castigated and so on. She should have received a stiffer punishment because of her position. The message would be apparent. Actually it is!
- Cyrjames, Berwick UK, 08/01/2010 21:03
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She left the scene of an accident which she herself had caused. No matter how slight the accident itself was, her leaving the scene was a SERIOUS offence, yet it was treated very lightly by the cavalier court.
Plus her use of a mobile phone while driving was surprisingly just ignored.
THESE FACTS are what people are angry about.
- Geoff Pitman, Manchester, Lancs., 08/01/2010 19:44
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No word yet from Keith Price on this burning issue of the day?
Why was this Minister given such an easy ride - or do we need to ask?
- Chuck Unsworth, London, 08/01/2010 19:32
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Let's see whether the CPS or whoever is responsible for such matters, officially launches an appeal about the leniency shown to an arrogant politician who is pulling way too many stunts vis her powerful position as Deputy P.M.
- Ken.H, Harrow. UK, 08/01/2010 19:29
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Never let the evidence, charges. subsequent trial, conviction and sentence get in the way of any prejudice. This is a non story!
- Bleeding Heart Liberal, London, 08/01/2010 18:01
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Typical of the labour elite
- Nigel Sears, Southampton England, 08/01/2010 17:57
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Ghastly Woman! Revolting Political Party! Sickening Justice System! I wouldn't vote for one of them at the coming election and fail to understand why anyone would!
- Sixtysomething, North Yorkshire, 08/01/2010 17:50
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It would appear this Government's Laws do not guide or apply to members of the Cabinet.
- Overtaxed, Farnham UK, 08/01/2010 17:42
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Two comments.
First, Harriet Harman did something that many others do, got prosecuted and to the extend found guilty has been punished. So, as far as this incident goes, that is it. It is not as if she killed someone and abandoned the site. But for the fact it is Harriet Harman, it is not worthy of being a news item.
Second, it confirms once again, how much of an 'ordinary' person she is. Like many of she professes one thing and does another thing. She is the ultimate public school product, yet, works for a leader who wants to fight a class war, as he has not delivered despite 12 years in power. She is anti private schools for everyone but not for her own children as she can afford and wants the best for them. She commits a typical crime and like most others pleads not guilty for she can get away with and accepts what she has no other option. All these raise serious questions about her being chosen as a leader of integrity.
- Nat, New Malden, 08/01/2010 17:13
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I dislike Harperson as much as anyone I suspect, Ghastly woman, however, She was charged with an offence, pleaded guilty, and received her punishment, so why the vitriol from the usual suspects? i suspect it is because people like Frank of the Home Counties, apart from being a fool is also pretty ignorant of the law. Some of you commentators need to get a life if not a job.
- Kerry, Purley, 08/01/2010 17:09
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If Harriet stood for Labour leader and won, you'd have to get used to David Cameron, Keith, because he'd be around for a very long time.
- Kevin T, Beckenham, Kent, 08/01/2010 17:07
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What a surprise! Yet another MP getting off lightly and no doubt strings were pulled. The sooner we are rid of this distasteful government the better. My concern is will the other lot be any better, as they were seeped in sleaze etc before being kicked out by labour! Will they have learned their lesson? Cameron should make law and order one of his main election themes as we the people are sick and tired of one rule for them and another for the rest of us and all the crime and anti-social behaviour. If he wants to be taken seriously then take a tough line and sort out this mess of a country.
- Mike, Esher, Surrey, 08/01/2010 17:06
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Why are you all having ago at Harriet Harman. Its the Magistrates who you should be slagging off, after all they imposed the fine.
Most of you are missing the point and having ago at Harriet Harman, how can it be her fault?
This is just a free for all lets have ago at Harriet Harman because she represents Labour.
- Ken Morey, North Walsham, Norfolk, 08/01/2010 17:03
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So our ministers no longer feel the need to show humility under the law or to acts of probity in public life - people we are in really deep trouble...
- Christian Ball, London, UK, 08/01/2010 16:59
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Most of these comments show just how ignorant about the law most people are. Ms Harman has been tried by a court, pleaded guilty and a penalty imposed. Similar cases will have been heard and penalties given up and down the country in the last few weeks. If any of your readers have evidence of her using a mobile phone that is likely to lead to a conviction, they should come forward. Far more charges are dropped than are ever brought, and good solicitors ensure that their clients face as little penalty as possible.
There is clearly a lack of consistency in penalties given but most of these comments have more to do with a dislike of Ms Harman and the Labour Party than any rational analysis of the facts.
- Bob, London, 08/01/2010 16:50
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Just another Labour parasite.
- Frank, Home Counties, England., 08/01/2010 16:47
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I think MPs have been showing their true colours over the last year. They have proved that they can not be trusted and they are all in it for themselves. Each and every one of them believes themselves to be above the law and clearly a cut above the electorate. One law for MPs and another for the rest of us. Forget your illegal immigrants MPs are the low life that we need to be tackling. Pompous parasites the lot of them and not one of them to be trusted.
- Goggs, London, 08/01/2010 16:42
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There is no justice in this country - not any more. Certainly not for the peasants
- J B Blackett, Hendon, 08/01/2010 16:38
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Horrible person that gal!
But
No damage - Not seen driving & using the phone - only seen entering the car whilst using the phone (not a crime)
Getting out of a confined space & touching the car behind - Get off it guys & gal's we all HAVE to do that sometimes
So as there was no Crime why was a summons issued - just to make some jumped up person who has a boring life in the CPS (& possibly the police) famous for a day
It is a shame that the magistrates did not through the case out – but then they properly need fame as well
The whole affaire is most unfair on her – even if you don’t like her
- David Skeggs, Paris France, 08/01/2010 16:32
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She is my constituency MP. I don't like her and won't vote for her.
However, she did not commit a major offence. She had a very minor prang in which no-one got hurt and there was no major damage. The CPS routinely drops minor charges for a more major charge. That's how the law works. The idea that she is "above the law" or got off lightly is nonsense but it's good fun to poke fun at the Minister for Patronising Tones and Self-Satisfaction.
- Stg, Peckham, London, 08/01/2010 16:31
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Living on the road where this "accident" accured, I wish I could say I was in shock that a cabinet minister can get of with 3 points for crashing into a parked car and then leaving the scene of the accident. Clearly there is more to the story, and we will never know what it is. Clearly it is time to sweep those who think they are above the law out of power. This isnt Zimbabwe, but these "incidents" make it feel like it is.
- Mm, Dulwich, UK, 08/01/2010 16:22
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What a joke these are the people who set the laws one for them and one for us well im not voting for them this time
- Charles, Emsworth Hants UK, 08/01/2010 16:10
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I will go and change my name to Harriet Harman by deed poll so I can be above the law.
- Artfuldodger128, London, 08/01/2010 16:09
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Batty Hatty drives again !!!!!
- Alan, Essex, 08/01/2010 15:59
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I was born and bred in Peckham, but I cant believe that people here will STILL vote for this woman at the next election. What will it take for everyone to wake up and see just how much of a ride we are being taken for ?
- Lynn, Peckham, London, 08/01/2010 15:57
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I think that self Harman and Labour are to politics what the A bomb was to conservation,it will take 20yrs to rectify this bloody mess after they are relegated to the trash can of history,-purely a personal view you understand!.
- Jacob, Brown damaged Britain, 08/01/2010 15:32
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Ms Harperson has shown that some of us are indeed more equal than others. If this adhering to the law then we officially have anarchy!!
- Robert Marshall, LONDON, 08/01/2010 15:32
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She left the scene of an accident without giving her full details. She hit another vehicle whilst using a mobile phone. No mitigating circumstances. Any other person would have been prosecuted for both offences.A sad reflection of the double standards which now exist in the judicial system. Roll on the Tories!!
- Jaime, Madrid, Spain, 08/01/2010 15:27
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Surely no one is surprised are they? These Labour slime bags who call themselves "Honourable" are paid and trusted to give an example, instead they work things so they are above the law. A bit like the Eastern Bloc Communism of old don't you think??
- Jo Metra, Sanremo Italy, 08/01/2010 15:15
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She only hit a car while getting out of a parking space. Even if she was on a mobile phone at the time it hardly warrants a driving ban. How many readers have hit a car whilst parking or 'un-parking'. Judging by the state of my bumpers - many of you have and got off scot free.
- Jonathan Albutt, London, 08/01/2010 15:09
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My recollection of this whole affair was that at the time the story first broke Ms Harman denied it, period. A spokesman for Labour's deputy leader was quoted in the press as saying: "Ms Harman strongly refutes the allegations but is cooperating with police."
Bit like her backing Gordon 100%. Wonder what she really meant when she said that?
Can you ever believe a word politicians say? No wonder they are now regarded as being at the bottom of the pile in the integrity stakes.
- Brian G, Norfolk Gorleston, 08/01/2010 15:06
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If Harriet stood for Labour leader then she would unquestionably be the next PM. She is so more experienced, and far less oily , than Mr cameron
- Keith Price, Luton, Emgland, 08/01/2010 15:02
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New Liebor take the concepts of Animal Farm to an all new level of high.
- Adam, London, 08/01/2010 14:26
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Ghastly women, she should have been banned from driving.
- David, Fleet UK, 08/01/2010 14:25
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Let off lightly, one law for them another for us, as usual.
- Samson, Sudbury, Suffolk,, 08/01/2010 14:23
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I call this a fix. She should of had three points for the mobile phone offence then a ban. Stitch up.
- Phil George, Castro Marim Portugal, 08/01/2010 14:09
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The Magistrates are a disgrace and clearly did not follow their Court Sentencing Guidelines which indicate as a minimum sentence- with factors indicating both higher culpability and harm - a Band B fine (100% of weekly income) plus 5 to 6 points on the licence. With 6 points on her licence already they were clearly frightened of making her a "totter"
- Tony Cowles, Hainford Norfolk, 08/01/2010 14:00
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The Judge wasn't a Justice K. Price by any chance?
- East, London, 08/01/2010 13:59
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No surprise there then...............
- Andy Woodhead, London, ENGLAND, 08/01/2010 13:59
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She only got off because she's a woman
- Whocares?, london, 08/01/2010 13:59
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Reg, London "I have not even heard of, let alone know, someone who has been punished for a mobile phone offence"
Really? I do, £60 fine and 3 points. Of course if the charge hadn't been dropped, she would now be banned - 6 points already, 3 for careless driving plus the 3 she should have got for the mobile phone use. Never mind leaving the scene of an accident.
- Claire, Stone,UK, 08/01/2010 13:58
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"Mobile phones as used by cabinet ministers are encrypted and not traceable to a user.
One law for the people and another for the Political Class, when will it end?"
What do you expect? A Ministers phone to be wide open? Get real.
- Dan, London, 08/01/2010 13:57
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What hope has Labour got of lecturing the voters of the dangers of driving with a mobile phone if they all do it but don't even get charged?
- Barry, Wales, 08/01/2010 13:54
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A future leader of the Labour Party, don't see why not!
- Ron Day, Hornchurch, Essex. U.K., 08/01/2010 13:53
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not very equal for the equalities minister.
what is that job anyway ?
- Jon, lon/eng, 08/01/2010 13:52
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Bring forward the general election, I can't wait to vote TORY!!
- Smithfields, Kent, 08/01/2010 13:52
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If this the best a magistrate can do it does not give much heart to the "Hoi Polloi" that they are being fairly treated. There seems to be one law for the arrogant law makers and another for the Joe Bloggs's of this world. Should all offenders however highborn like Harriet Harman and however low born be treated the same in the face of the law. If other motorists have been banned or imprisoned such as the lady driver who killed a malevolent cyclist the same should happened to Harriet Harman who by the grace of God did not kill anyone but still committed the same crime as the unfortunate incarcerated lady. The CPS should appeal and go for a more harsh sentence. The question is why did she escape a custodial sentence and other unfortunates have not been as fairly with the same benevolence meeted out by this weak magistrate.
- Alexis Dogilewski, Kingston-upon-thames. England, 08/01/2010 13:50
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As she is a politician and a solicitor, her breaking of the law should be seen as more serious as she shows contempt for the law by breaking it.
- Jon, lon/eng, 08/01/2010 13:47
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Is this another example of one law for MPs whilst the rest of us are governed by another set?
- John Turner, York UK, 08/01/2010 13:42
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A great chance to set an example wasted.
People wonder why this country is going down the pan so rapidly.
In law doesnt precedence take over, so when ever Joe Public runs away from an accident in future, gets caught on their mobile etc. we can all refer to this case and bobs your uncle, a slap on the wrist and off we go again.
Thanks Labour for ruining our country with your pathetic lax laws in your campaign for a so called free lifestyle.
We all have a duty from this year on once you are ousted from 'power' that we ensure our children and grandchildren are fully aware of the last 13 years and you clowns are never allowed to 'run' this country again.... lets hope the Conservatives introduce a special law to lock up every labour person who helped demolish a once great and proud nation, its nothing more than you all deserve.
- Paul, Enfield, 08/01/2010 13:39
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We all now know the judiciary including the CPS and DPP are 'political shoe ins'. We allow those chosen people (the political scum)to get away virtually unscathed whenever they break the law !!!! I expect a few knighthoods and other meaningless titles to be handed out to all of these 'shoe ins' in the very near future.
- Nick Holland, glasgow, 08/01/2010 13:38
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To paraphrase George Orwell "Some pigs are more equal than others".
And they wonder why respect for parliament has fallen.
- Warren H, London, 08/01/2010 13:35
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Be careful what you wish for Harry.
- Kevin T, Beckenham, Kent, 08/01/2010 13:30
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All I would say to Andrew, St. Johns Wood is have you never heard of the expression ""Wheels within wheels"" ??
- John.W, canterbury.east kent, 08/01/2010 13:18
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"The Crown Prosecution Service said the mobile phone charge had been dropped because the penalty for driving without due care and attention was greater than that for using a mobile." They could have brought a prosecution for both offences! When will the CPS stop giving special treatment to certain people and groups. The CPS needss to be inspected and shook up.
- Cameron, London, 08/01/2010 13:10
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Why has your photo of Harriet Harman been airbrushed? When you see her in the House of Commons she looks nothing like that. Let's see her how she really is. We can take it.
- Harry, Surrey, 08/01/2010 12:59
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Did any of you actually read the article? The court has explained their reasoning at the end - you can say what you like but Harriet Harman has no power over the courts decision. Get over it.
- Andrew, St. John's Wood, London, 08/01/2010 12:58
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I don't know why she's smiling like that, maybe because the using mobile phone whilst driving charge was dropped. I doubt she'll be smiling when she realises it has cost her any hope of becoming leader of the Labour Party.
- Yvonne, Doncaster, UK, 08/01/2010 12:56
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"Would I get the same treatment?"
Er, yes. Do you go to Court much? Because this country doesn't take driving offences seriously, from Parliament to Police to CPS to Judiaciary it's a nod and a wink all the way to the errant motorist. I have not even heard of, let alone know, someone who has been punished for a mobile phone offence.
This was a parking manoeuvre and should still be taken seriously, but as little punishment is often meted out to "careless" drivers causing permanent serious injuries.
- Reg, London, 08/01/2010 12:52
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Yes Harman we know where we can find you,with your snout deep in the taxpayers trough alongside all the other freeloaders masquerading as politicians.
- Jacob, Brown damaged Britain., 08/01/2010 12:50
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Do you think she will try and claim the costs on MP's expenses?
- Patrick Wegener, London, 08/01/2010 12:42
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One rule for THEM and another for the rest of us !!!!!
- John.W, canterbury.east kent, 08/01/2010 12:38
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Mobile phones as used by cabinet ministers are encrypted and not traceable to a user.
One law for the people and another for the Political Class, when will it end?
- Ian B, Reading, England, 08/01/2010 12:35
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Absolutely unfair. "I'm Harriet Harman - you know where you can find me" is arrogance of the highest order.
- Stuart, East Staffs, 08/01/2010 12:27
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What about the charge of leaving the scene of an accident?
- Bob, Cheam, 08/01/2010 12:26
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I'm amazed it came to court at all... these people are usually above the law in this country when it comes to things like this.
- Jethro Penzance, Bodmin, 08/01/2010 12:14
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This utter joke will need a fast car when she needs to exit Downing Street after the next election!
This deputy PM woman is JohnPrescott in drag and a lot less prettier!
- James From Camden, London, 08/01/2010 12:13
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Obviously with the technology available today, it is easy to determine whether or not her mobile phone was in use at the time of the incident. As that charge was withdrawn, it follows she was not using her mobile 'phone as reported in the media. No doubt, despite the evidence to the contrary, there will be those who will say she was let off lightly, and it was a 'fix'.
- Val Daniels, Mijas Costa, Spain, 08/01/2010 11:54
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So why was the other chare dropped and why was she not charged with driving away from the scene of an accident? Labour, one rule for you and no rules for them.....
- Mark, London, 08/01/2010 11:52
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If that was you or I we would have been banned from driving. One rule again....
- Jan, Romford, 08/01/2010 11:52
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There seems to be much that we are not being told. Why, for instance, was the well-publicised charge of driving while using a hand-held mobile phone withdrawn? Were there any extenuating circumstances that lead the court to decide upon a sentence at the lower end of the scale?
Would an ordinary citizen have been treated with such apparent leniency in similar circumstances? While these questions remain unanswered, many will conclude that there is one law for the governed, and another for those in positions of power, thus tarnishing even further the principle of equality before the law.
- John C, Leatherhead, UK, 08/01/2010 11:51
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no suprise there then.Hope joe public gets the same treatment but i doubt it
- Anon, leicestershire, 08/01/2010 11:47
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So why was the driving while on a mobile phone dropped? Was she on the phone or not?
Would I get the same treatment?
- Craig, London, 08/01/2010 11:47
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No doubt if you or I crashed into a parked car then left the scene of the accident saying "You know where you can get me", we would also get a small fine and 3 points!
And so respect for the law in this country drops another little bit.
- Kevin T, Beckenham, Kent, 08/01/2010 11:43
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Put the fine on your parliamentary expenses Harriet. Go on, I dare you!
- David Moon, East Sussex, UK, 08/01/2010 11:41
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