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iraq has a very large christian community and many churches, lebanon, syria etc also. These people live in harmony with muslims. The problem in England (and most of Europe) is that people are not religious we only need to look at the number of churches being converted to flats and houses to realise this. Indeed, even the pope who visited the country recently stated that UK has become a nation of aethiests.


Islam a Christianity and very similar, indeed prophet Jesus is mentioned in the Quran and the coming of prophet Mohammed is mentioned in the Bible. There are other similarities such as the day of judgement, heaven/hell, other prophets such as Moses, Abraham. Adam and eve mentioned in both etc.
….although this is of no relevance to the topic I have recently been asked by Christians why the Quran does not permit eating pork. I stated that it’s probably because Pigs can eat their own waste and roll around in mud/dirt etc.
But I noticed that the bible also forbids the eating of the Pig, indeed it’s stated in the book of Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their
dead carcass.” [Deuteronomy 14:8]
If we all read up about the religions we would realise we are not so different after all. Religion is peace, it is man who becom

- jayjay, london, 27/09/2010 12:27
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I am sorry but like one said, in many muslim countries (Nigeria for example), you get killed if you are a christian, let alone build a church. Why do they want to impose something in other countries when they cannot even accept other religions in their own country.

You are all talking about freedom when it suits you, but I don't see any light nor freedom in the way you oppress other people who do not believe in your God.

Most of you have fled your home country because of this same oppression anyways. Stop being hypocrite, and be grateful that England is such a welcoming country.
Half of what you are doing here, could never happen in any other European country.

- Morenike, London, 29/08/2010 17:13
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everyone has the right to believe in what they want to believe, but as in country in the world. you have to draw the line somewhere and defend what is right,if u lived in saudi arabia, or some majority islamic country and wanted to build a church or temple ud be killed for it its not about mosques, but more about mindset. there is enought trouble in the world, without someone killing someone else for it

- searingeagle, australia, 01/05/2010 13:57
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regardless of size or shape.its not the mosque thats a problem to any community or religon or council but its teachings. this groups idiologies are very irretating to all other groups + we have enough mosques in london as it is. we will all benefit and create a far better love + understanding if this was to to be a specialist community colledge,sports colledge,hospital etc. then no one would have a problem but all be one body. money well spent i will generously donate.

- Ali, bucks, 09/02/2010 23:16
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In Newham there are so many mosques already. When it comes to prayer times, the roads are grid locked with kids running on to streets and muslims families leaving by car.

So what will happen to the little mosques in Newham?. Some mosques are 5-10 mins walk from people home or work. Now will 12,000 all travel into this super-mosque 5 times a day by car?. Also, some of those roads are congested with traffic.

When you see people leave the local mosques it can take 10-20mins for the roads to clear of traffic and people to disperse etc.... How long will it take a super mosque to clear of people and traffic?.

I get annoyed with traffic madness from West Ham football club.

- Ps, Newham, London, 23/01/2010 16:57
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Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Converts like me didnt migrate from muslim countries but rather were born and bread here. If indigenous muslims want to build a religious building than thats out free right!!!

- Sid, london, 20/01/2010 21:40
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I am so pleased that this has happened, I mean when I saw it I was like OMG how bad can we become, we accept all people in the UK and now we have the 2012 games to show the World we have so much offer and then this gets whacked on the plate!!! it once again shows that it was one group and not a community choice!! I am made up,Made up that this has happened because itnot shows 1 group or one side of the Newham comminity and does not over shadow the 2012 Games

- Tracey, Newham London, 19/01/2010 21:23
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This government are coming to their senses, even if much too late. In the past thirteen years they've pushed against the will of the people. Taken away a lot of freedoms in the name of political correctness.

They, and any succeeding government, will have at last realised that new constructions of the size of the mega mosques most definitely goes against the will of the people. Being heedless of their public brought this government to bad governance, and has brought the country quite literally to its knees in a sad and sorry state.

- Nicholas Mannion, London, 19/01/2010 17:01
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the plan to build the mosque was decided way before the olympics. theres no point building churches in the arab countries when christians dont even populate thier churches in the west!!! the size of the mosque is 12000, and this is a need because theres at least 15000 followers of tabligh just in london, and why cant we want to pray at the mosque of our choice, freedom in the west 'yeah right'

- Harry, uk-london, 19/01/2010 16:21
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Before playing the anti-mu slim race card in defense of this perplexingly huge mosque, consider Tom of Stratford's views. He lives in the area and doesn't want people whose orthodox religion abhors homosexuality worshipping in such huge numbers near him.

Why do those who steadfastly defend >anyone< from a minority not also speak out against intolerant, extreme views when expressed by groups from ethnic minorities? Minority community members themselves suffer appallingly from family and community enforcements re marriage and also homosexuality. Asian/Muslim homosexuals marry just to go along with family wishes. Unimaginable, the misery of these unions.

Time to always stop playing the race card when people have valid objections to some proposals and to some unlawful/objectionable aspects of some ethnic lifestyles. Get used to the fact that 'minority' does not automatically have the right of everything. Only the self-deluding would not know that some sections of ethnic minorities hold extremely hardline, rightwing and intolerant views on how they and others should live their lives.

- Jason, West London, 19/01/2010 16:15
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It's painful to see so much hatred in ourselves. The fact is that the mosque idea is only being pushed out because it would be risky this side of the election and Olympics. Interesting to note however, that the real population of muslims is closer to 2.5 million in my opinion. They are growing at an astounding rate as a community and by 2020 you would not e surprised if they hit the 4 million mark. We have to face the reality that muslims make up the most influential minority group in our country. If they don't build a 12000 capacity mosque today then they will build a 50000 capacity mosque in 5 years. There's no stopping them.

- Scotty Benitez, Manchester, 19/01/2010 14:27
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The size of this mosque, along with the artist impression is very terrifying! It’s totally not needed in this country & the money would be better spent on building one in an Islamic country, who will appreciate it more. The building of a mosque this size has something sinister about it, I’m sure the motives cannot be so innocent – ‘in what the eye can see, can have a glory of power in most’.
Anyway I cannot understand why it’s necessary considering there are plenty of buildings for worship & maybe they could be renovated instead.

- Jade, London, England, 19/01/2010 11:44
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@Duncan Walker - your comments about Iraq, Iran etc is actually rather silly & ignorant. There is a very active Christian Armenian community in Iran with their own churches etc and even have TWO reserved seats in the Iranian parliament. Iran has also helped Armenia (A CHRISTIAN country) out economically.

- Azmat, Dengie, 19/01/2010 10:25
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Well done Brits!

- Chris, kansas city, 19/01/2010 01:48
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All new mosques should be banned until they start to have a more tolerant view in Muslim countries. When they allow christian churches is Iran, Iraq etc then start to allow them here again. As they are so intolerant they should get the same attitude.

- Duncan Walker, Thailand, 19/01/2010 01:09
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If anyone really needs to have a religion, then that's their affair. Silly, but understandable. The trouble is, they always want to TAKE OVER - and stick it down our throats - and that includes all the other Brands of god-botherers. Give them an inch - let them take control - and they'll take you to a prison camp if you don't join them.

- Alex Mckenna, Woodford, 18/01/2010 23:47
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Wanting to build a mega mosque by the Olympic stadium was clearly aggressive and provocative and it's better for race relations in this country that this boastful building is not being built. Imagine wanting to build a cathedral next to an Olympic stadium in Riyadh?

- Derek, London, London, 18/01/2010 23:45
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Enforcement Notices under Planning Law are to do with a use that does not have a Permission or a use right.

The allegation of a huge new Mosque, largely invented by bodies of the UK Christian Right like the Christian Peoples Alliance, Lawyers Christian Fellowship and Christian Voice that have been campaigning against it, is a fantasy.

If the quoted CPA Cllr sends you a Press Release, you'd be wise to check it out with at least 5 other people.

- Alan Griffiths, Forest Gate, LONDON, 18/01/2010 23:39
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i think everyone is being bias, the tabigh jamaat has been in london for over 30 years and works and activities take place in almost all mosques in the country. its the pride of certain people that is preventing freedom for the mosque to be built.

- Harry, uk-london, 18/01/2010 23:37
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Ann, Scotland says
This is a sad day that any religious centre is denied.
White people are Muslims also. Most people wanted it banned most likely becuase of ignorance. Islamic Centres help poor people all over the world
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Can you please name one country and one mosque which does that? let me save you the time. NO there isn't even one.
and stop masquerading as a native here. Your words leave no doubt about who you are.
If islam were so great, we all will be flooding to islamic heaven instead of islamists coming here.

- Ann Stop Your Lies, London, 18/01/2010 23:22
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How long until someone tries to play the racist card?

- Josh, London.

Can't see why anyone would have a problem with it otherwise Josh.

- Nj, London

Gee, I don't know; Shiria Law, beheading, demeaning to women, London's subway. Yeah, I can't think of a single reason why you wouldn't want a "mega" church of the world's most represive and violent religion in your neighborhood.

- Josh, San Diego, USA, 18/01/2010 23:20
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Yes there are enough mosques in the UK.
Plenty of others to choose from.
I am sure Europe would like to dump a huge mosque in England rather than in their own back yard - just wait and see !

And YES, there is proof of radicalization of the youth of any nationality in England - legally and illegally living on our hospitality.

They are establishing Madrassas and jihadis under the guise of "religion"

Wake up Britain !

- R, Tucson, AZ, 18/01/2010 22:27
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"I won't open the champagne until this judgement has been upheld
by the highest court in the land.
It just so happens that the highest court in the land is in Strasbourg
& "human rights" rarely extend to Western interests, & never British ones

- Convenient Truth, Reading"
What moronic nonsense. Human rights apply to humans, western or otherwise. They become most apparent on the edges of culture and society, which is where they're most needed. You berk.

- David, London, 18/01/2010 21:15
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This is clear illustration of how hypocritical our values have become. On the one hand we talk about freedom to practice religion.How can you stop a movement that has removed drug dealers , murderers and rapists from the streets and directed them towards good. If Jesus was to come down he would be ashamed of all you so called christians.

Mohammed London

- Mohammed Ibrahim, London, 18/01/2010 21:03
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Great news! Finally a little sense left in Britain.

- Sarah, London, 18/01/2010 20:10
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How about we build a Church instead, you know, like the one in N.I full of pedos and child traffickers? OH?! no news coverage of this?!?!.............pathetic communities, keep watching your X factors and remain dumb..........

- Veteran, East London, 18/01/2010 19:42
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I'm on the fence with this one. Not sure its worth getting excited over either way. If this place was supposed to be used for worship then it was sad that the plans didnt go through.
However if this so called group were going to use the mosque for other means other then worshiping/ doing good, then it was best for us all that the plans didnt go ahead.
I know its a long shot but am I being too wishful in hoping for a peacefull Britain without having to worry about radical plans and terrorism??

- Fatima, London, uk, 18/01/2010 19:22
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This is a good start. Do not weaken!

- Guy Macher, Wheatley Ontario Canada, 18/01/2010 19:13
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Good decision - let's hope it's upheld. This application is unnecessary and inflammatory - there are more than enough mosques round here already. No doubt the racist card will - inevitably - be played. In answer to that, I would say we should allow this application only when Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran allow the building of super-cathedrals in their capital cities. We should build something that will benefit EVERYONE in east London for a change.

- Anthony, East London, 18/01/2010 19:08
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People power (in the form of a petition - and therefore a threat to the politicians' expenses) rules OK !

- Madmax, London, UK, 18/01/2010 19:00
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This is England !! how many times do you have to be told.

- Davey_Bouy, Chertsey, 18/01/2010 17:57
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Fabulous news. Living only half a mile from the proposed site I am delighted that a group that incites hatred against homosexuals and is deeply misogynist won't be coming to my neighbourhood.

- Tom, Stratford, 18/01/2010 17:42
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great news, there are enough mosques in east london as it is. we dont want any more.

- Joe, london, england, 18/01/2010 17:24
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A mosque for 12,000 people seems a little extreme. Are they building for the future?

- Jen06, Ohio, USA, 18/01/2010 17:21
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No complaints if there were plans for a mega-casino or a nightclub. But because this is a mosque we had all this fuss.

- Justin, London, 18/01/2010 17:18
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How long until someone tries to play the racist card?

- Josh, London.

Can't see why anyone would have a problem with it otherwise Josh.

- Nj, London, 18/01/2010 17:02
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This is a sad day that any religious centre is denied.
White people are Muslims also. Most people wanted it banned most likely becuase of ignorance. Islamic Centres help poor people all over the world

- Ann, Scotland, 18/01/2010 16:57
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I won't open the champagne until this judgement has been upheld
by the highest court in the land.
It just so happens that the highest court in the land is in Strasbourg
& "human rights" rarely extend to Western interests, & never British ones

- Convenient Truth, Reading, 18/01/2010 16:10
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This is only step one. The planning inspectorate (accountable to no one) may repudiate the local council's decision.

- Helen, norwich, 18/01/2010 15:47
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This is common sense at last.

It is important that immigrant populations worship discreetly to avoid offending the sensibilities of the host country.

This is how Christian and other minorities have always operated in the East. It is also the way other religious minorities (e.g. Jewish, Greek Orthodox) to their credit operate in the UK.

- Nick, London, 18/01/2010 15:22
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Good!

- David, London, 18/01/2010 15:19
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There are some very tricky issues here, as the site is on an old industrial site with very poor road links. The infrastructure of Newham is creaking already, and siting a mosque or any other facility here will cost millions in land decontamination, new roads sewers etc. There are already plenty of mosques in Newham that meet the needs of the local population and a mosque of this size would really exist for people from outside Newham, but it would be Newham council tax payers footing the bill, as we already will be for part of the Olympic cost. The real surprise is why it has taken so long for Newham to take what is such an easy decision. This isn't over - just wait for the appeal that will cost us all thousands.

- Robin, London, 18/01/2010 15:11
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Trsut that on any appeal, the Planning Inspectorate gets it right, too!

- Arthur Billposter, London, 18/01/2010 15:03
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There goes my church application in Bagdad, damm.
still going for the fish and chip shop though..

- Stafford, derbyshire, 18/01/2010 14:55
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Miranda, do you have any quotes or proof from the security services of this feared use by al Qaeda? If not surely then you are just stirring and causing a lot of unnecessary grief for the members of this mosque.

Also if you had done any research on the mosque you would know that the image you have put up is not the mosque but a design by one of the architects that was unsuccessful when tendering for the project.

- Jamie, London, 18/01/2010 14:45
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If they had applied to open a lap dancing club would there have been fewer objections from the locals??

- Azmat, Dengie, 18/01/2010 14:45
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muslims have enough mosques. give other religions theirs.

- Harry, London, 18/01/2010 14:38
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Makes sense. But I fear it is only a matter of time before it will be built in east London.
In the last six months, two local shops have become a place for Muslim prayers, and even a local public lavatory. All within a fifty metre radius.

- Steve, London. UK, 18/01/2010 14:38
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How long until someone tries to play the racist card?

- Josh, London, 18/01/2010 14:35
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let them build it , but only if we can build a massive super cathedral in riyadh .

- Clive, london, 18/01/2010 14:27
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Yipee!

- Sly, London, UK, 18/01/2010 14:12
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Good move. There is no need for it either. Britain is not an Islamic country. Its laws are not based upon Islamic way of life and principles; it is not Sharia Law. Therefore Britaiin has a right to decide what is allowed and what is not allowed.

- Sajain Jaye, East London, United Kingdom, 18/01/2010 14:10
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It will only be a temporary glitch.That eyesore will be up by 2012.Guarantee it.We just like to be seen as doing something where in actual fact we're too spineless to refuse it.

- Eddie, London, 18/01/2010 13:57
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Great news! We should follow the Swiss example and ban the construction of minarets in the UK. It's time to draw a line in the sand: enough is enough.

- Steve Green, London, 18/01/2010 13:56
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Hallelujah. LOL

- Jon, london, 18/01/2010 13:54
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Not before time either. However our dear Government might well step in and squash all opposition.
Don't let them, fight the good fight.

- Roger, Devon, 18/01/2010 13:50
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at last some common sense being used I see

- Lindona, italy, 18/01/2010 13:27
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Most recent figures show muslims as 1.6m of the population. Since there are already in excess of 1500 Mosques in this country why on earth do they need any more? This would suggest something in the order of 1100 muslims per Mosque - bearing in mind that recently Mosques have been refered to by the Turkish prime minister - and others - as Barracks, then perhaps its time to call a halt to the building of more.

- Alan, Essex, 18/01/2010 13:22
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Good news!

- Margy, London, 18/01/2010 13:06
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