Italy 'to follow France with Muslim full-face veil ban'
29 Jan 2010Italy may soon follow France and seek to impose a ban on full-face Muslim veils.
The country's equal opportunities minister, Mara Carfagna, said the Italian government would work more closely on four draft bills on the burqa and niqab already circulating in parliamentary committees.
This week a French parliamentary committee called for women wearing the niqab — a veil with just a gap for the eyes that is worn with a long robe — to be refused access to public transport, schools, universities, post offices and hospitals.
Ms Carfagna, a former showgirl who prime minister Silvio Berlusconi made a minister in May 2008, said: “I completely agree with the French initiative, which I think will push other European countries and hence, also Italy, to enact laws on this issue.
“This is about a sacrosanct battle to defend the dignity and rights of immigrant women. A law is being studied that would ban the use of a burqa and niqab, which are not religious symbols — that's not us saying it, but the top religious authorities of the Islamic world, like the imams of Cairo and Paris.”
A survey by SWG polling group has shown that 71 per cent of Italians are in favour of a ban, and the initiative has drawn strong support from the far-right, anti-immigrant Northern League party in Mr Berlusconi's conservative government. A few small northern towns have tried to ban burqas with local decrees, although some were annulled.
Conservative politician Souad Sbai, who is of Moroccan descent, said: “If we don't ban it now, tomorrow we'll have lots of women walking around in a niqab. Each day the number of women wearing it rises. Just go to Brescia, Bergamo or Milan or any market, They are full of women wearing them.”
Leftist politicians, as well as some in Mr Berlusconi's coalition, questioned the proposal.
“I'm convinced the burqa is a prison and a form of male dominance,” said Left-wing senator Vittoria Franco. “Having said that, I think it's wrong to ban it because it would be an abstract intervention that would not help emancipate women.”
Reader views (30)
As a Christian I supported ALL religions to practise as they wanted Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindewsm, Budists, Atheists, SAtanists, etc ... now as a revert to Islam I still feel the same and I expect the same from others ... it's a basic human right that we should expect in a supposedly free country! Oh, I forgot, it's only a free country if your not a muslim woman, then your NOT allowed to dress as you want ... now I forgot ... the non-muslims tell me that because I'm a woman I can't make the decision to wear my niqab out of my own free choice they tell me I can't wear it, but it's ok to wear a short skirt so they can see everything!!! URMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!! Excuse my sarcasrm here where is the women's liberation here when we can't chose our own clothing and not be free to protect our bodies from the eyes of men if we chose to????
- Tahira, Bradford England, 25/07/2010 21:44
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It really makes me laugh when people make comments like those women come here to be free so why are they still covering there faces. it just shows how really ignorant and stupid people are they think they are making clever comments when really the comments are stupid as there facts are all mixed up. Im a WHITE ENGLISH born citizen and I wear a burkha!!! (shock horror)! It is in the quran dont talk about something you know nothing about making comments like its not in the Quran when you have never read it. I know many WHITE ENGLISH women who wear the burkha. Also this is our country too i think there should be a rule book created shown to children that if your english you have a choice to be a christian or an atheist otherwise you must leave our country that way we would have known before we became muslim that we would not be able to practice the religion in this country as we became a minority.
- Aeishah Griffiths-Wiiliamson, London England, 30/04/2010 22:13
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I've just been barred from entering a small tesco's local by a muslim security guard for wearing a open faced helmet. i just wanted to nip in and get some carrots. He said I had to take my helemet off if I want to shop here for security reasons. I said would you say that to somebody who was wearing a full faced veil. He said no. I said my open faced helmet shows more of my face as well. he said it's because it's a religious garment (it's not a religious garmet, but they like you to believe it is. nowhere in the koran does it say a women should have her face covered). I said how can the no helmet policy be for security reasons if the policy doesn't cover, so called, religious garments . Just because I wear a helmet does mean I'm going to steal.
absolutely P off
- Mark, Ashford, 09/04/2010 14:18
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Hello.
In my point, if Muslims are not keeping Christians from performing their religious festivals and ceremonies, then Europeans should also bear what Islam teaches Muslims to follow. All religions, in fact Islam "the new testimony" also establishes rules for Non-Muslims living in Islamic State.
Our Holy Book has regarded all other people of the book, as nearest to Muslims. We want peace for all, but if our rights are reserved.
Regards
- Mati Ullah, Afghanistan, Badakhshan., 30/03/2010 11:55
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"Paul Bloomberg, Glendale, California"
Spot on with that comment. I cannot understand why people who insist on wearing the burka, niqab or whatever in the UK actually come here if not to make the UK into New Afghanistan or New Iran. They come here for a better and freer life. So why on earth do the women insist on being hidden, ignored and suppressed by wearing these things. If she don't want freedom then don't come here! Simples...
- Jan, Romford, 01/02/2010 10:19
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I think it is disgraceful to impose such a ban, if a Muslim woman chooses to wear such a garment then nobody should have the right to prevent her from doing so.
It reminds me of Nazi Europe, in which Jews were initially banned from entering certain shops.
Personally I don't understand why a woman would want to cover her face but that is not the point, it is not for me or anyone to decide that she cannot wear a veil.
This is pure discrimination and a total absence of respect for other customs and freedom of choice.
- Helen, Bath. U.K., 01/02/2010 04:47
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Personally I wear a balaclava wherever I go. However I have been denied a driving license, a passport, access to banks, government buildings and most high street shops. I have tried to claim that this is discrimination, but because I am white my argument has fallen down at the first hurdle.
Next move is to get a niqab, I can wear this anywhere in Britain and live anonymously, something that I could never do when I relied on my balaclava.
- Casper Slides, London, 01/02/2010 00:35
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This is a Christian Country always has been and hope always will be. We do not go around demanding churches be built, schools be segregated or have our own dress code !!! you want to live in the UK you abide by our rules, we do not go to other countrys and demand the above, if you do not like it go to a country where they do accept this, uk has become weak and scared of so calld HUMAN RIGHTS.. makes me sick. Hope we follow suit ASAP. Thanks Helen
- Helen, London, 31/01/2010 20:33
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It should be illegal for anyone to have their face covered in public, full stop.
- Anil, Manchester, 31/01/2010 14:23
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i have no problem with the veil but only if its worn within the mosque or in your own home, but not in public, tht goes for youngsters wearing hoodies and scarves as well !!
- Brian, Wiltshire, 31/01/2010 12:28
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Well done France and Italy. Regrettably the UK won't follow suite while the liver lily-ed scot is at the helm!
- Marianne, SW France/London, 31/01/2010 11:00
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Communication is more than just 'words'. Facial expressions are a vital part of interaction. I feel at a disadvantage when confronted by a human wearing a niqab. It is not 'natural' for us all to hide our facial expressions - language barriers can be broken with facial expressions. Please ban this covering just as I am banned from dressing in western clothes in an Islamic state. I respect that - Muslims should respect my countrys culture and reveal their faces.
- Ayesha,, Australia, 31/01/2010 08:32
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We should have ben in a lead role on this issue not "Johnnie come lateleys" as we have now become.
There is no place for this male imposed cruelty in Britain
- Bill Bates, London, England, 31/01/2010 06:59
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Quite right too! Now we should do the same.
- Vince, London, Isleworth, 30/01/2010 17:16
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The way to get this into UK law is for the EU Parliament to make it EU law and then we will have to follow suit.
- Adam, Harrow, Uk, 30/01/2010 17:06
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I fail to see the difference between a full face helmet and a niqab. If you can't wear a helmet in to a bank or area of security - how can you justify a niqab? It's not just the right to freedom and equality, its also to right to be safe.
- Jo, London UK, 30/01/2010 16:12
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The federal level of government (Brussels) of our new country has jurisdiction over human rights (as well as 70%+ of other areas governing Europeans' daily lives). Provinces such as France, Italy and the U.K. have no jurisdiction in the area of human rights (which includes the right to wear face covering) since it comes under the federal level of powers. Watch for the European Court of Justice (the highest court in our new country) to rule that this issue is 'ultra vires' the provincial legislatures, i.e. the provinces don't have the power to legislate it. The provincial governments in Paris and Rome would well know this, but are pandering to popular opinion. Apart from what Brown & Co might or might not want to do on the issue, they know they'd be wasting their time.
- Phil Jones, London EU, 30/01/2010 13:07
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Good move. It's barbaric and medieval. And whilst a ban may not help emancipate women no one forces them to wear it, or do they ?
- Squiz, Islington, 30/01/2010 10:59
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Cool, the more the merrier.
- Frank, Home Counties, England., 29/01/2010 22:41
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The uk should follow suit, if you come to a free country you should abide by the rules of the country you live in. I fear the Government are frightened because they know if there was a national poll there would be unanimous support to ban the face veil.
- Christian, london, 29/01/2010 21:30
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Lets hope England and all Western Countries follow suit.
- Bj, sydney Australia, 29/01/2010 20:44
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if you do not want to live in the western world move to saudi arabia. you can not let people come to the west and then want to remake it into afghanistan . you can not let people born in the west try to turn their country into iran. you must stop it now before it is too late.
p. bloomberg
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glendale, ca
- Paul Bloomberg, glendale, california, 29/01/2010 20:16
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As usual little Britain stands out in bad way. More shame on Harry equalperson Herman for not doing anything proper.
- Jacqueline, Hampstead, London, 29/01/2010 19:09
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I'm sick of all this rubbish about it should person’s choice to wear a veil or not. The veil represents the oppression of woman kind by men. Behind the veil in many cases are woman deprived of an education, not allowed to work and not even let out of their homes without an escort… It’s not even in Muslim law that it should be worn. Ban it! Any woman saying it empowers them must have been brainwashed or is too scared to say anything else.
- Paul B, London, 29/01/2010 17:56
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Well done to them, if I can't go into a bank with a mask on or crash helmet why should they?
- P Staker, London, 29/01/2010 17:54
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To the narrow minority who push the line that this is to do with race, take on board the ban this week of women wearing pyjamas in Tesco's. Tesco rightly said the women caused offence to other customers, and the social comment this week has backed them.
Equally offensive (never mind security issues) is for someone to hide and cover their faces in this country. Most of us are offended, and rightly think its anti-social in our culture. Whether some Muslims like it or not, openness is a part of our modern culture and we prefer that others respect not hiding their faces when they are out in public or at work.
- Jenny, London, 29/01/2010 17:11
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One would have thought dear Harriet, our equalities minister, would have pushed for this in Britain ages ago. Then again, I suppose she has an eye on coverting muslim support for NuLabour this side of the election. Rather than giving all muslim women the right in this country to freedom and equality.
- Brian G, Norfolk Gorleston, 29/01/2010 16:40
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Brussels should make the ban universal. How can you possibly communicate, identify, with someone who is virtually wearing a mask. I READ THAT ENEN SOME AUTHORITIES ALLOW IT TO BE WORN IN PHOTOGRAPHS ON A DRIVING LICENSE. Surely this cannot be true.
- Alan,, England. The forgotten country., 29/01/2010 16:40
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Good luck Italy. Hopefully we won't be far behind you.
- Jonny, London, 29/01/2010 16:36
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Good. I hope the UK follows suit but I very much doubt it.
- D, London, 29/01/2010 16:35
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