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Judge: Terror pair must not be deported from Britain... for their safety
Martin Bentham, Home Affairs Editor18 May 2010
Two suspects in an al Qaeda plot to inflict mass casualties in Britain today won the right to stay in the country.
Immigration judge Mr Justice Mitting said that although both men were a threat to national security they should not be deported to Pakistan because of the risk that they would be tortured.
They are set to be released after the ruling which is based on Article Three of the European Convention on Human Rights.
Abid Naseer, 24, the alleged ringleader, and his associate Ahmed Faraz Khan, 26, were arrested during armed raids last year in Manchester and Liverpool after intelligence that an attack on targets in the North West were “imminent”.
The danger posed by the pair was confirmed today by Mr Justice Mitting at a hearing of the Government's Special Immigration Appeals Commission.
The judge said he was satisfied that Naseer was an “al Qaeda operative” who had been plotting with Khan and other men arrested during the raids to kill large numbers of people in Britain.
But he ruled that neither Naseer nor Khan could be deported because ministers had not received adequate assurances from Pakistan about how they would be treated upon their return. Home Secretary Theresa May described the decision as “disappointing”.
Mr Justice Mitting quoted emails between Naseer and an “al Qaeda associate” in Pakistan which MI5 believed to contain coded messages about the participants and explosives to be used in a “mass casualty” attack.
The judge said he agreed with the Security Service's judgment about the emails and added: “We are satisfied that Naseer was an al Qaeda operative who posed and still poses a serious threat to the national security of the United Kingdom.” The judge also says that although Naseer had claimed that the emails were sent as part of his search for a wife, this explanation was “utterly implausible” and that his account was a lie “deliberately told to conceal their true meaning” with a final email sent on April 3 indicating that an attack was about to be carried out.
“We are sure that that email conveyed a sinister and alarming message to an al Qaeda associate,” the judgment states. “There are pointers to an imminent attack, apart from the language of the 3 April email, and it is possible that one could have been carried out within the time frame indicated by it.”
Mr Justice Mitting added: “We are unable to determine whether Naseer and his associates would, in fact, have been able to carry out an attack intended to cause mass casualties. We are, however, satisfied, at least on the balance of probabilities, that by the 3 April email, he declared to his al Qaeda associate that that was his intention.”
The judge said that although it would therefore be “conducive to the public good” to deport Naseer, he could not approve such a move because of the “long and well-documented” history of torture and mistreatment of those in detention in Pakistan.
Today's ruling also reveals that photographs of Manchester's Arndale Centre and its exits were found on a computer stick discovered during the investigation and that the plotters had been seen conducting other apparent reconnaissance missions.
Both Naseer and Khan are likely to be placed under control orders with Mrs May saying that “all possible measures” will be taken to protect the public from the risk posed by the pair.
The pair and nine other suspects were seized after intelligence indicating that they were involved in a “very significant international plot” linked to al Qaeda.
The arrests in April last year had to be rushed forward after the Met's then top anti-terrorism officer, Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick, was photographed in Downing Street displaying documents detailing the operation. An investigation failed to uncover enough evidence to justify any prosecutions, although a report by the Government's terror watchdog, Lord Carlile, also declared that the raids were justified by the intelligence.
He revealed that Naseer was seen as the “central figure” in the alleged plot and described him as being linked to al Qaeda and was in direct contact with an “attack planning group” overseas.
Lord Carlile's report also disclosed that Naseer, who failed to answer any police questions during seven days of interviews, had been in possession of suspicious documents and of a computer memory stick containing the key email sent on April 3.
After the decision not to prosecute any of the alleged plotters, who included 10 Pakistanis and one British national, most of those detained were either deported or left the country voluntarily.
The court today also upheld an appeal by a third man arrested during the raids, Shoaib Khan, 31, who is now in Pakistan, meaning that he could now apply to return to the UK.
Appeals by two other alleged plotters, Abdul Wahab Khan, 27, and Tariq Ur Rehman, 38, who have already returned to Pakistan, were rejected.
Reader views (83)
Seems to me that, that Justice should be wearing a BURKA HIJAB
- Richard Merrell, Wentworth Falls, NSW Australia, 20/05/2010 00:58
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They are a vile group the BNP. However, one has to wonder how they could fail so miserably when nonsense like this is going on!
I agree this country has become a joke. If the tables were turned and it was Pakistan in our position, there is no way on Earth human rights would even figure. They would have been hung already so why do we p*ssy foot around !? Why don't we just 'dispose' of them and say they 'went missing'?
Surely there needs to be a petition to get these scumbags out of this country?!
- Sanjay, Hounslow, UK, 19/05/2010 14:55
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having read all these articles i can only come up with one solution, use the Human Rights Act for the protection of the British population and have the two gentleman deported back to Pakistan to protect us from their ongoing threat to our existence using terrorism to impose their will and beliefs. We the public majority amount to about 55 million as opposed to the 2 terrorists,theirfore our Human Rights should be put first and foremost. Surely that is how the Judges should interpret the law, or better still apply it as it is written not how they feel it should be applied. A football referee has to abide by the rule book, or he will be asked to explain his actions.
- Tony Robinson, Manchester, UK, 19/05/2010 14:26
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So Abdul Wahab Khan and Tariq Ur Rehman think it's safe to go back? Yet for Abid Naseer and Ahmed Faraz Khan it is not?? This makes no sense? These guys will now be on benefits and get their housing/legal fees picked up by the tax payer. We will be paying for the keep of people who want us dead! Something is very wrong when a country can’t remove immigrants who have broken the law and pose a huge risk to the public.
- Paul B, London, 19/05/2010 12:26
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'.. there's a reason we have a legal system, '
- fred, london, england
It is not our legal system, we had a perfectly good system of common Law based on hundreds of years of common sense. We now have an untried untested European ideology that Blair signed us up to wholesale.
Tony 'will you make me president if I sign this' Blair.
- Frank, Home Counties, England, 19/05/2010 09:36
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This has less to do with the Human Rights act than the way we (or our left-wing elite) interpret it. Italy (for example) is also subject to the same Act, but if this same situation happened there, these guys would be on a plane to Pakistan without question. We see photos of the suspects, but no real details/photos of the judge, nor the lawyer who defended them. Why aren't the press going after these people, exposing them, and making the link between terrorist atrocities and our perverted 'liberal extremists' who make these decisions (and those who cynically profit from our well-intentioned naivety - the lawyers)?
- Alan, London, 19/05/2010 09:09
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Bring back hanging....
- jonathan montmorency, cooden, uk, 19/05/2010 08:52
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Utterly ridiculous!
I really couldn't care less what happens to them in their native land. That is their problem, not mine.
I demand the right to have my safety and security in my own country protected over and above the interests if any foreigner.
To Camer-Chameleon: We voted for an end to this nonsense, get on and do something about it, NOW!
- Keith Lonsdale, Doncaster, 19/05/2010 08:46
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Every time the security services finger a muslim, you can be sure that Mossad is behind it. They frame people for "terrorism" (no explosives found) then manipulate us into waging war against the muslims. The only terrorism we must fear is state terrorism carried out by the interlocking security services of Mossad, ISI, MI6, CIA etc who use patsies like the men above to do their dirty work.
- Conspiracy Factualist, London, 19/05/2010 08:18
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@frank, home counties
remember the guildford four, and the maguire seven? (and presumably the evidence in those cases seemed stronger than in this, since there was a prosecution..)
there's a reason we have a legal system, and a presumption of innocence. and no reason to send people to pakistan to be tortured on evidence so shaky that it clearly has no chance of standing up in court.
- fred, london, england, 19/05/2010 04:22
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5th Columnists can be discovered in every non muslim nation
- Richard Merrell, Wentworth Falls, NSW Australia, 19/05/2010 03:34
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They were plotting carnage! Should we care about their "safety"? NOT ....
- Michelle, London, UK, 19/05/2010 03:21
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Remember that during WWII there were 5th columnists in the UK...even some were Brits being Nazi sympathisers. Let us not be suprised if there are now 5th columinists in each non muslim country, seeking to undermine those nations, and let us not be further suprised of even a Justice of the Court is found to be a 5th columnist. For many in high places of authority may be just that. We can imagine poor Sir Winston turning in his grave at the thought of terrorists being allowed to stay in the UK.
- Richard Merrell, Wentworth Falls, NSW Australia, 19/05/2010 02:50
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5th Columnists are in most non muslim nations and we ought not be suprised if even a Justice of the Court is one of them; many Brits in WWII aided the Nazis, so too even now 5th columnists are at work in many countries.
- Richard Merrell, Wentworth Falls, NSW Australia, 19/05/2010 02:12
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WHO would live in the UK ? the whole country is a joke regarding immigration, IMAGINE poor old Sir Winston rolling in his grave..would he have said 'Let any NAZIS stay'..What a joke the UK is. It has now been proved that the UK...loves and protects '5th columnists'
- Richard Merrell, Wentworth Falls, NSW Australia, 19/05/2010 02:00
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Just another example of judicial insanity. But surely there are other options under immigration law to deport these two Pakistani 'students'. Clearly they are in breach of the visas that permitted them to come here to study. The Home Office should revoke their student visas forthwith and send them back under simple immigration procedures. In any case, it should mean they are held in immigration detention rather than being free to roam the streets under expensive supervision while they plot more ways to kill us. Clearly foreign al-Qaeda suspects have access to much better lawyers than the Home Office - one wonders if we are paying for their legal representation too? Theresa May, take a long hard look at this case and fight back. This judgement is an insult to every law-abiding person in the ccountry.
- London Lass, London, 18/05/2010 23:20
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When will the courts put the safety of the public first?! If the judge truly believes this man is a terrorist he should act accordingly. He should be locked up. Preferably in a very small cell with that far right/white supremacist terrorist scumbag who was planning a ricin attack. The evil lowlifes would hopefully kill each other!
- Veritas Noire, Purley, 18/05/2010 22:54
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Mr Justice Mitting .. why don't you invite these nice gentlemen to come and live next door to you?
- John Bull, Woking, (still) Broken Britain, 18/05/2010 22:52
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Well, seeing as how the Human Rights Bill seems to be so closely linked with our free-spending European cousins, why not deport them to, say, France. They're unlikley to be tortured there, and at least it won't be Pakistan.
- John Bull, Woking, (still) Broken Britain, 18/05/2010 22:37
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If the judge was an oxbridge liberal that explains it.....if he wasn't then god help us....All
- Steve, Brentford, 18/05/2010 21:06
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Message from the honest burghers of Brentford to the Judge: What about our safety xxxxhole
- Steve, Brentford, 18/05/2010 20:54
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They should have 2 choices - go back on the next plane to pakistan or go and join their mates in guantanmo bay.
I can't believe our tax payments will now be going to support these two. The quicker we withdraw from all european human rights leglisation the better.
- Ian, London, 18/05/2010 20:41
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Why does this sorry story not surprise me? Oh hang on, we have had a weak, useless government in power for the last 13 years. They have been more intent on eroding the British peoples rights rather than ensuring terrorists quite prepared to blow up the very people giving them sanctuary are deported to face justice in the countries they were from. If they have the death penalty for such acts so be it, they knew what they were getting into at the outset. We don't want them here...
- Richard, Surrey, 18/05/2010 19:42
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You can't blame the current crop of MP's for the action of our Judge's it would be nice to believe that the Judge's are only complying with the law of the but it is becoming more and more clear that the Judge's wish to impose their OWN view on what our laws should be.This was ok when the senior judge's of the nation gave some further guidance and law was used as the MP's expected it to be. Bring back hanging and send terrorists back home even if they do face tougher laws than the whimps who wear the wigs in our courts dish out.
- M Melbourne, Bedford, 18/05/2010 19:18
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Never mind the economy, the first thing Camero should do is rip up the pile of garbage that they call the human rights act, if he does that, then we can get rid of all the scumbag muslims who want to commit mass murder in the UNITED KINGDOM, this is our country not theres, it will also stop that piece of trash, cherie blair earning thousands of pounds defending the scumbags. I lived in London for over thirty years and it was a great place to live, now it is a dumping ground for third world countrys like pakistan to send there filth, tony blair should hang his head in shame for signing up to the human rights.this once great country is being laughed at all over the world, maybe the western countrys should just get together and flatten all the countrys that harbour terrorists, what will it take, half an hour, i will settle for that
- SMIDDY SMITH, GLASGOW SCOTLAND, 18/05/2010 18:43
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WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THIS COUNTRY, WE ARE A LAUGHING STOCK AROUND THE WORLD, CAMERON WANTS TO SORT OUT THIS PILE OF GARBAGE WHAT THEY CALL HUMAN RIGHTS BEFORE THERE IS MASS MURDER IN UNITED KINGDOM, PEOPLE ARE PREPARED TO KILL BRITISH CITIZENS AND ARE THEN GIVEN A SLAP ON THE WRIST AND TOLD THAT THEY CAN STAY HERE, PROBABLY ON BENEFITS, WELL MR CAMERON ,LETS SEE HOW BRAVE YOU REALLY ARE , SLING THE HUMAN RIGHTS, I LIVED IN LONDON FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS , IT WAS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE FOR MANY YEARS, BUT NOW IT IS BECOMING A DUMPING GROUND FOR ANY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY TO SEND THEIR SCUM BAGS, I SUPPOSE CHERIE BLAIR PROBABLY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS, SHE HAS LIKELY GOT QUITE A FEW THOUSAND POUNDS OF LEGAL AID MONEY THAT THESE SCUMBAG MUSLIMS GOT TO PAY FOR THEIR APPEAL, TONY TRASH BAG BLAIR, HE IS TO BLAME FOR THIS AS WELL,
- SMIDDY SMITH, GLASGOW SCOTLAND, 18/05/2010 18:34
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Simple solution - tell them they are leaving. Let them go anywhere that will accept them, but that if no one else will, they go to Pakistan. That would no-doubt motivate them - and hey, they'd probably go back to Pakistan under their own steam, though through the back door, to join their friends.
The people whinging about the government not doing anything about it? Get real! They haven't been there long enough to do anything yet. But if they don't start re-visiting these stupid retrictions being imposed on British sovereignty by the EU courts on Human Rights within a year then you'll find me table thumping along with everyone else.
I'm curious, if there's evidence that these men are Al Qaeda, shouldn't they be in prison for planning this terrorist attack? Pretty sure that's illegal - unless of course the Human Right's advocates disagree (wouldn't want to upset these guys - they might burst into tears).
- Rogan, Irving, 18/05/2010 18:27
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"So, after all the promises by the conservatives, what exactly is going to change?"
- Jules_london, london
They've been in the job for ONE WEEK!!!! They couldn't even get an act of Parliament changing the law through the due process in that time.
Let's not forget that it is Labour who have spent the last 13 years eroding our rights and refusing to deal with these failures in the legal system.
But the moment the Labourites are in opposition they start deriding this current government for Labour's own failures in power?!
Unbelievable!
But not unexpected!
- Ricky, Lambeth, 18/05/2010 18:12
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What about this for a great idea - we give the two terrorists Judge Mitting's address, pack their bags and send them to live in his lovely, friendly home for a while. . . see if the numpty changes his tune then . . .PRAT!!!
- Eoin McGreeghan, Derry, NI, 18/05/2010 17:33
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How many others like them will be able to stay in the UK? This whole situation is very worrying for the British people. What happens if there is another terror attack in the UK? This new government need to change certain things about this. He must be laughing at us for this!
- Angela, Essex, 18/05/2010 17:22
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Would these men have commited these crimes if they knew they would have been deported back to their native country? Should we be using the threat of deportation regardless of their well being to deter would be terrorists?
- mark Taylor, Dronfield, England, 18/05/2010 17:19
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Erm, who cares less about what the Pakistan government does? He is a Pakistani citizen!!
How on earth is it that the UK has no power to deport people? Why are we signed up to so many ECHR articles?
The French government is only signed up to two, we are signed up to all seven! Perhaps it is time we put Britain first for a change, just like the French and amended which articles we sign up to?
As for preventing this in future, a bar on all future visas for the region. Moreover, just imagine the implications for morale this has?
Our troops will be demoralised when they hear this. And i believe this essentially now signals the end of our participation in Afghanistan. There is no point anymore. The decision has massive effects here in the UK.
- James, UK, 18/05/2010 17:09
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clegg felt Nu Lab were to draconian in handling human rights - don't think the coalition has a remit to totally change track and extradite people if they believe they will be tortured...it is not up to the tories to sort, they are not in power....the Lib/Cons are...
- martin_clerkenwell, london, 18/05/2010 17:00
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Perhaps we should re-introduce torture as from the middle ages then we won't need to have to send them back. We torture them here and then put in on You Tube for all the world to see!!!
- peter, Vienna, Austria, 18/05/2010 17:00
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So, after all the promises by the conservatives, what exactly is going to change?
- Jules_london, london, 18/05/2010 16:54
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@ fred, london, england
Whatever.
- Frank, Home Counties, England, 18/05/2010 16:28
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Whoever makes these stupid Laws are stark raving mad,and should be locked up.
- Davey_bouy, Chertsey, 18/05/2010 16:15
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DISGUSTING. This country is seriously screwed up. Well David and Nick - lets see you sort this one out. Our judicial system is utterly bonkers.
- Lou, London, 18/05/2010 16:15
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The politics of the judiciary are the problem here. This judge has let off any number of terrorists and it does not matter what the legislation says he will carry on with his pro terrorist judgments; it does not matter who is in power, the government cannot control the current judiciary. Labour did try to tighten all sorts of legislation but it was always overturned by these judges. However we need to ask ourselves whether we want a judiciary that is free from political interference? If the Tories want the courts to support their legislation they will have to appoint judges that have different viewpoints. The Law can be interpreted in all sorts of ways, it is not blind despite what they say.
- Michou, Essex, 18/05/2010 16:14
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Bet they finish up getting compensation! That Somali that was in Guantano Bay was brought back to this country, even though after being given asylum he left to go to Pakistan. Why on earth was he brought back here, he's not British! He also must be in line for a big compensation payout. Only this country would stand for putting enemy alens rights before the rights and welfare of its own people!
- Rotherburger, Rotherham UK, 18/05/2010 16:11
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what happened to innocent unless proved guilty? there's no jury here. no evidence, clearly, that would hold up in court. just mi5 and the judge's intepretation of emails no-one has seen. and both mi5 and the judge have an interest in justifying the arrests.
- fred, london, england, 18/05/2010 16:06
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No doubt the stupid judge is a liberal lefty who is completely out of touch with reality.
- Margy, London, 18/05/2010 16:01
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It's ludicrous judgements like this that will end up with some people deciding that enough is enough and taking the 'law' into their own hands with kangaroo courts and vigilante groups. And, particularly in case such as this one - ad which really does beggar belief - who could blame them? And they would likely have to covert support on many in the police force, who would turn a blind eye to their actions - the police don't want terrorists running free (at the British public's expense) any more than anyone else who feels let down, unrepresented, betrayed and unprotected by a legal and judicial system that is impotent, and nailed to the floor by political correctness, laws foisted upon it by unrepresentative and unelected foreign governments, and plain stupidity.
- Paul H, London, 18/05/2010 16:01
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The lunatics have finally taken over the assylum, that can be the only reason for this decision. This judge should be held to account for the behaviour of this pair in the future and if they are responsible for any deaths, he should be tried for manslaughter. That might put a stop to these crazy liberal decisions that are all to prevalent in our courts.
- James, London, 18/05/2010 15:59
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Get this trash OUT of my country NOW. We have weak courts and a very weak government. Who was stupid enough to think that things would change under the ConDems?
- jb, sussex, 18/05/2010 15:51
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This is why Britain will fall to Islam or any other crazed psuedo-religious esect.
It's OK to plot to murder and maim the citizens of the UK, but it's not OK to deport the terror mongers on our shores living off my taxes.
We deserve everything they throw at us. Because we are weak and cave in to this damnable Human Rights Act we are doomed forever.
They must be wetting their 'prayer' mats at our stupidity.
Why don't we just hand the keys over now and leave our own nation disgracefully?
- Chris Williams, Bridgend, 18/05/2010 15:39
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Once again our courts prove themselves to be plain bl**dy stupid.
- M Melbourne, Bedford, 18/05/2010 15:23
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The Government could declare Martial Law for six months; this would over-ride the law courts; and then all illegal immigrants, criminals and terrorists could be deported immediately etc.
It really is that simple; if the State has the will or the guts to protect the Nation etc.
Maybe this is what they really want, by allowing all Terrorists to remain here and kill people; they can get Martial Law up and running after a few more bombings etc?
- mickinlondon, london, 18/05/2010 15:20
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I'm confused. So, we're now obliged to keep a close eye on these guys, at the taxpayers' expense, right?
But what happens if that monitoring and surveillance reveals that they are once again conspiring with Al Qaeda? Will we be allowed to deport them the second time around, or will it still be against their human rights?
Will the whole charade continue indefinitely, until one day the surveillance fails and they fulfil their murderous intentions?!
There surely has to come a point where a foreign national, who poses a threat to the public (like terrorists, murderers, rapists etc), has their human rights made secondary to the right of the rest of the population to live in peace and safety.
It is none of our business what the Pakistanis, or any other country, does with these people once they are deported back home. Our only concern should be the rights and safety of our own citizens!
- Dan, Essex, 18/05/2010 15:19
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If anyone is killed or injured as a result of this judgement, the judge should be held professionally and personally liable. Injured parties should pursue him to the ends of the earth for compensation, put him out of business, bankrupt him. Until we hold these people accountable for their decisions nothing will change.
We are (perhaps rightly) giving the CAA and NATS hell becasue they are apparently making life and death decisions about volcanic ash. Why not also judges? What makes them so much ABOVE the law? Nothing, they are just as fallible as anyone. But they also default to stupidity when it suits them, rather than the safety of the public that pays them. Yes, they are supposed to be independent, but independent of what? Common sense, reason?
On the odd occasion we can applaud a good decision by a judge. Most times these days the average citizen despairs of them.
- Tom, Bedfordshire, UK, 18/05/2010 15:04
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As these people are quite clearly enemy aliens on our territory and if they were in Afghanistan would be legitimate 'kill targets' for the army, are we as citizens of this country permitted to kill them before they kill us and if not why?
- Adam, Harrow, UK, 18/05/2010 14:55
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Laws have to be changed and these people deported for our safety. The safety of British citizens MUST come before the safety of foreign terrorists. There are terrorists, they kill and torture people themselves and we are worried about sending them back to their home nation because of these things? Utter madness! Lets hope the new government reverses 12 years of ultra left brainwashing and ridicolous laws.
- Dirk Diggler, Soho, London, UK, 18/05/2010 14:47
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Its time now for the new government to enter the time of the sackings... !
- Hugh E Torrance, London England, 18/05/2010 14:44
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Right Cameron/Clegg, get this law sorted straightaway, otherwise we'll think you're just as bad as your predecessors!
- Sue, Kent, 18/05/2010 14:43
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This is all the fault of the Tories and Margaret Thatcher in particular - ask any loyal Labour voter.
- Anglo, Sussex England, 18/05/2010 14:25
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I'm afraid our courts are full of lawyers who have bought their way out of multiculturalism, & think English law is like game of chess, with no
effects beyond the game's result.
Islamic terrorists are at war with us.
The lawyers are irresponsible, smug, fools & have put unknown numbers of
Britons at risk.
I suggest all judges & persons who sit on immigration tribunals be
compelled to use public transport & state schools
- The Convenient Truth, Reading, England, 18/05/2010 14:23
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This happens time and time again. What's the point of have elections. The country is run by a handfull of judges.
- RC, London, 18/05/2010 14:19
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Errrm...the judge is "concerned" about the safety and welfare of these poor terrorists if they were to be deported back to Packistan..is he having a laugh???...am I missing somthing in this story???...and still the same old garbage goes on, even though we had hopes for a change in the balance of justice moving to protect the innocent......I guess not!!!!!!
- Gary, Surrey, 18/05/2010 14:19
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Send them back - and this will give a message to others - we don't want you !
- Peter, orpington, 18/05/2010 14:17
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Get the Pakistani government to make assurances about torture, then simply remove them. Simple as.
- Frank, Home Counties, England, 18/05/2010 14:16
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The pair are students, presumably would be going back to their country of origin at the finish of their courses, unless of course they intended to stay here illegally, like thousands of others.
Apart from this, why should we take into consideration their safety when they intend to blow as many of up as they can. Unbelievable, again.
- Ronald, Hornchurch, Essex. U.K., 18/05/2010 14:11
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So what's our wonderful new government going to do about it? Oh,Home Secretary Theresa May described today's decision as “disappointing”. That's nice.
- Frederick, London, 18/05/2010 14:07
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We know MI5/6 have been involved in kidnap and torture of terrorist suspects; so the Judge must deport these individuals to protect them from being tortured at the hands of the UK/US.
It's not for Judges to decide where terrorist suspects are tortured and it's not a choice we should give the terrorists.
If there's evidence that they are a threat to the UK, then they should be deported or shot.
- Peter B, Hants, 18/05/2010 13:56
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Why are we fighting a war against Al Qaeda when members of Al Gaeda are allowed to remain in this country although they still pose a serious threat to our national security. They are not even going to be detained but released into the community. What is the reason for not persevering in obtaining assurances from Pakistan that these Al Qaeda supporters will be treated fairly and justly if they are detained in Pakistan. Why are the human rights of Al Qaeda supports put above the safety and security of the people of the United Kingdom. Perhaps they can be under a control order in the vicinity of Mr Justice Mitting's home and then he can personally keep an eye on them.
- PATRICIA, LONDON, 18/05/2010 13:55
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Can anyone tell me whom we can complain to about this lack of judgement. Surely the public have a right NOT to have this man in their midst?
- Peter, London, 18/05/2010 13:51
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Get this trash out of my country.
- monkey for sale, London, 18/05/2010 13:50
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Wow, what a surprise decision ...
- Frank, Home Counties, England, 18/05/2010 13:45
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I cannot believe the stupidity of our courts. Once again vermin who were intent on killing us are treated by us with humanity and decency - and they laugh at us all the way to the benefits office. I suppose thet'll get houses and benefits and ultimately will carry out their threat. Why should pakistan want this scum back - they are not going to make it easy for us to deport by giving us any assurence of their future
. Pakistan have the right idea about how to treat vermin like this.
We really are the buffoons of the world. So that the liberal wing can flooat in a cloud of 'look at us we are so humane and wonderful' some innocent people are going to die. I hope the firat one to go is that judge.
I am disgusted with this society which does not have the guts to defend its peoples against those that would kill us. Change the law. Send um back even if they are in danger of being executed. This will act as a deterrent for them to practice their hatred against us in the first place.
This is exactly the sort of judgement that incites race hatred. That judge is an idiot.
- Graim, London, 18/05/2010 13:45
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they couldn't be deported because of risk for their safety, what about ours? I thought with Brown gone all of this would stop.
- Andrew, London, 18/05/2010 13:41
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What about the threat to some other person(s) also human beings but living here, elsewhere? that's my question. If they are a threat then shouldn't their welfare be considered last?
I'm supportive of human rights, could not live without some form! (hope they re-visit this one day, doesn't completely work, sometimes! Need to take Human R. out of the title because it's not quite adding up!)
When it's a surety as in this case? (I'm sure someone knows this better than I do) then human rights just serves to improve the taking of fees for this legal profession! Wouldn't be without them many a time!
Theresa M. has a job on her hands!
- M, London, 18/05/2010 13:36
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Now, for all you out there that used to bang on about how 'Nu' labour were useless in dealing with immigration, terrorism and crime issues this one has the lot so let us now see what the Cameron will do. It should be fun.
- Gary, London, 18/05/2010 13:36
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Ok ... meet half way. Drop them in the middle of the ocean (preferably where there are sharks) on the way home.
Will we never learn?!
- Sanjay, Hounslow, UK, 18/05/2010 13:35
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Our safety doesn't matter then ?
- winston, brixton, 18/05/2010 13:25
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Rule Britannia. Rule Britannia. Britain never nev........
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
- Jonvic, S.CV.USA, 18/05/2010 13:24
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"risk to their safety" . Our Country the biggest joke on earth.
- Dal, Bromley, 18/05/2010 13:19
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'The same immigration judge said although he accepted one of them was an al Qaeda operative the pair should not be deported back to Pakistan because of the risk to their safety'
And what about the risk to OUR safety???
People should come here and act with respect, if they don't all rights should be revoked, simple. If he fleed his country for safety reasons he should not want to impose on us the very thing he was fleeing.
I hope for everyones sake this judges foolish decision does not come back to haunt us all.
- Paul, Enfield, 18/05/2010 13:17
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The safety of terrorists and their human rights; are far more important than the lives and the human rights of British People living in their own country; ‘’Yes’’ tell that to the fairies as well.
What hope has Pakistan got, with allies like the UK?
- mickinlondon, london, 18/05/2010 13:16
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Just two words: How and Why?
- Al Fresco., Costa Azahar, Spain., 18/05/2010 13:16
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"The Home Office reacted with dismay to the ruling, but said that it would not be appealing because there were no legal grounds for it to do so."
Well Mr. cameron, here is your first opportunity. Create such a law that would enable the state to imprison in solitary confinement such terrorists that cannot be deported because their human rights might be abused by their state of origin. Make sure that the law is equally applicable retrospectively.
If such a law would be illegal under European legislation, then withdraw from Europe.
It's not good enough for Theresa May to be "dissapointed", she's Home Secretary - do something about it.
- Adam, London, 18/05/2010 13:08
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We do not deport people from our country. It is a conspiracy by the EU and our rulers to completely break us up.
- Grim Reaper, Hell, 18/05/2010 13:08
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What is a matter with this country. Just get rid of these people - they belong in their own country and not ours.
- jo, bucks, 18/05/2010 13:04
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Can we not find a place for them next to where the judge lives ... as should be the case when paedophiles and rapists get freed early.....
- Rob, London, 18/05/2010 12:57
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Disgusting. Tories please do something about this.
- Paul, London, 18/05/2010 12:50
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