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- Anthony Whitmarsh, Melbourne, Australia, 24/07/2010 05:28
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The Koran tells muslims not to take Christians, Jews (or other non-muslims) as friends. The Koran tells them to convert, enslave, or kill non-muslims. Maybe if UK muslims publicly repudiate statements like this from the koran, they will stop alienating everyone else...

- Greg, Leeds UK, 21/07/2010 10:23
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Gov. Something for you to ponder, Wise One.
You ask "how many of these liberal ‘bloggers’ can actually claim to have had first hand experience of living in a densely populated Islamic community?"
Irrelevant. I simply don't want THIS to become "a densely populated Islamic community".
Also: "Are any of these bloggers sufficiently educated to understand that only a small collection of Islamic ‘supporters’ were responsible for the London bombings?"
Probably. We're told that no more than 2% of our Muslim brothers would consider resorting to violence (against those others than their daughters, I suppose!) Islam also claims to have two million adherents in the UK. I make that 40,000 potential terrorists.
Lastly: "A country doesn’t belong to a single person".
I tried to explain this previously. Put it around the other way: I belong to this country, for reasons already stated. Most of the aforementioned Muslims don't, and never will.

- Croyboy, Croydon, UK, 21/07/2010 09:06
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My argument wasn’t a defence of Islamic culture, but rather a condemnation of the general masses that blindly advocate the hysterical exaggerations portrayed through the opinions of our prejudice journalists. What ever happened to independent thought? Why as a nation are we (the people) so eager to believe the general propaganda portrayed in the media? And curiously, how many of these liberal ‘bloggers’ can actually claim to have had first hand experience of living in a densely populated Islamic community? Are any of these bloggers sufficiently educated to understand that only a small collection of Islamic ‘supporters’ were responsible for the London bombings? Whilst the media continues to victimise a single religious movement, others seem to have been forgotten. Remember the Klu Klux Klan? The extremist faction attempting to racially cleanse African-Americans, in the name of a Christian God? The same movement the current BNP party leader was seen conversing with? But does this mean that we understand the KKK as an official faction of Christianity? Of course not.

Il say it again for you ‘Croyboy’- Those who are disillusioned into believing that they have been granted sociological prerogatives in accordance to their birthplace should be ashamed.’ That includes the Islamic countries too. A country doesn’t belong to a single person, it is a collection of people. Whether people like it or not the entire country around us is changing. Its about time everybody stopped moaning.

- Gov. 20 years old, and wiser than most of you already., London, U.K, 20/07/2010 16:38
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Many Muslims may not agree with the tactics of the jihadists. But they generally agree with the overall aims. Which is why they don't cotton to the counter-terrorist tactics.

These are just the wages of Islam.

- Dave, Detroit, USA, 20/07/2010 16:07
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@Gov. 20 going on 13. A country may be only a portion of land, but imagine coming home from work to find squatters in your house ? Same thing as far as I'm concerned - no one asked hundreds of thousands of Muslims to move here, ghettoise themselves then start blowing us up, but I suppose you would come home, shrug and move into your loft if they let you - after all it's only a house.

- Squiz, Islington, 20/07/2010 11:37
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@ Gov. 20 years old.

Your age is more than apparent in your "non-sense" post. What a load of rambling rubbish.

- Will, West Hempstead, 20/07/2010 10:14
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What strikes me is the deathening silence from fellow Muslims after an act of terrorism or an act of hate against the Western world takes place.

9.11, 7.7, attempted bombing in Scotland, the marches by Muslims against out homecoming troops, these things take place but we never hear of Muslims getting angry and condemning them, they simply stay quiet and shrug their shoulders.

Most of my friends and I are completely sick and tired of their demands, their failure to make any effort to integrate, and the way they think that the British should fit in with them and their demands rather than them altering some of their ways to fit in with us.

Frankly, I think the story above is ridiculous, and what is a dead cert is many burka clad women will soon be moving to Britain from France, so that's something lovely to look forward to isn't it?

- Phillipa, Putney, 20/07/2010 09:56
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"Gov. 20 years old, and wiser than most of you already": you ask of "Real", "since when has Britain been ‘your’ county?". I can't speak for Real, but to me, an Englishman, this is my country by birth, blood, history, culture, and because of my relatives who have fought for it in two World Wars. By the same token, I belong to it, too, but perhaps your haven't - with all your supposed "wisdom" - considered that.
BTW, what do you think our Muslim citizens mean when they talk about "their" lands?

- Croyboy, Croydon, UK, 20/07/2010 09:41
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I agree with Patrick and David that "Moslems alienate themselves" by their non-participatory stance in terrorist issues which are very much focused at their society. How can they live in London as though they are living somewhere in the Arab country? The only time they cry foul is when they realise that they have been connered. This is definitely the death of Britain. Unless the authorities do something about it.

- Daph walker, London, 20/07/2010 01:38
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I wasn't particularly interested in the article, just the responses people left below. I wasn't disappointed. beyond the constraints of cyberspace, the general perception of the public is a pessimistic one, shamefully unanimous in its condemnation of Islamic citizens, the barbaric masochists of our generation.

Real, Camden- since when has Britain been ‘your’ county? The fact that-like you-many of us are in the process of paying off the mortgages for housing, applying for loans to ease financial burdens, underlines the fact that in terms of materialistic accumulations, people ‘own’ very little. Those who are disillusioned into believing that they have been granted sociological prerogatives in accordance to their birthplace should be ashamed. A hospital is only a building, a country is but a portion of land. And that land is shared between its 61 million inhabitants. Also, how many of those doctors, nurses and the countless others under NHS employment who help and serve the communities we live in, are of Islamic heritage? Miss Camden, your political and social opinions strike a tantamount with the outdated pop records of the 90’s: They are childish and not worth listening to.

- Gov. 20 years old, and wiser than most of you already., London, U.K, 20/07/2010 01:25
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I get the distinct view that many in the Muslim community are alienating the rest of us.

Perhaps a few marches through central London with "NOT IN MY NAME" against terrorism, burkas, niqabs and other anti-Western views might endear them rather than "WE ARE ALL HEZBOLLAH NOW".

- Adam, Harrow, UK, 19/07/2010 21:08
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The Muslims that I know have no desire whatsoever to fit into British society. Rather, they want British society to conform to their beliefs and way of life. A tenet of Islam is the conversion of everyone else ('infidels') to the religion. The mounting tensions between Muslims and others can only get worse, and there will at some point come a day of reckoning.

- Phil Jones, London EU, 19/07/2010 20:32
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I propose we do a 1:1 exchange with France. They can send us all their Muslims and in exchange must take us as official residents. Then let the United Emirates of England rot to hell with the consequences of Nu-Labour followed by Uber-Tory stupidity.

- Real, Camden, 19/07/2010 18:53
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Oh dear. Who cares? I suppose we will soon have to put up with a load of burka-wearing women emigrating from France pretty soon. Thank you, Miss Spellman.

- Proper Charlie, Birmingham, 19/07/2010 18:30
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What ! are you frightened already of the Muslims you have allowed into this country,some want to walk around with a mask on! and you allow this ?.

- Davey_Buoy, Chertsey, 19/07/2010 17:48
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agree with Reuben,all these measures were invented in the frankfurt school,first called cultural marxism,but now disguised as political correctness,this is from the 1930s,just google it and see why the goverment will not help the majority of British people

- gene hunt, hyde, 19/07/2010 17:38
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These successive governments have slowly tied themselves into one big knot,there are so many Quangos most of us have a job keeping up with it all,sack some of this rubbish and lets get back to some straight talk.!!!!

- Davey_Buoy, Chertsey, 19/07/2010 17:29
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The thing that we need to do is once again start enforcing the longstanding laws of the land without fear or favour, and without compromising those laws. That cuts both ways.

On the one hand, there are longstanding and hard-won rights such as freedom of speech (within legal limits), freedom to peacefully demonstrate, freedom of worship, protection from racial and religious discrimination. Some misguided recent "anti-terrorism" legislation has eroded these, and this may well be causing alienation. It is also the top of a very dangerous slippery slope, one that ends with tyranny and the complete destruction of our freedoms in the name of preserving them.

On the other hand there are the laws against incitement, against threatening behaviour, against forms of behaviour that may be sanctioned elsewhere in the world. It's high time that these laws were enforced to the full extent, against everyone who resides in the UK regardless of their origins or beliefs. When we fail to do so, we weaken the hand of moderates in dealing with the extremists within their own communities. Why are those who carry posters inciting violence and murder not charged with incitement, but left free to intimidate any who oppose them?

- Nigel, London, 19/07/2010 17:08
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"the report says that prevention work should be "solely focused on people with the intent to act or who are being targeted by recruiters"."

So you should 'prevent' when it's already too late. Thanks Jamie, your recommendation is basically that locking the stable door should be the official government policy for after a horse has bolted.

That'll keep us safe...

- Grant, London, 19/07/2010 17:07
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Hear! Hear! Rogan, Irving. Very well said and eloquently put.

- Pat, London, 19/07/2010 17:02
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Hands up anyone dumb enough to think matters would improve without the measures?

Ok - how about those naive enough to think the measures don't make any difference at all?

I am quite happy to believe that the majority of Muslims just want to get on with their lives in peace, just as most others in the world do. But in shielding the extremists within their number, they ENCOURAGE the very things that are 'alienating' them.

- Rogan, Irving, 19/07/2010 16:37
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"A Government counter-terrorism scheme should be scrapped because it is alienating Muslims..."
Please can someone explain to me: how can you "alienate" a "community" which is already alien in way of life, culture, traditions, beliefs, values, and psychology? AND - moreover - clearly hasn't the slightest intention of adapting to the way of life of the indigenous population? Indeed, why should they? ("multiculturalism", innit! ..."Empowering" burkhas, anyone?)

- Croyboy, Croydon, UK, 19/07/2010 16:07
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Stop alienating me!

- Iqbal, London, 19/07/2010 15:55
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Sorry but the only people alienating Muslims are the Muslims themselves. We hear nothing from them to confirm they are against issues being carried out by their fellow Muslims.

We are under threat and its by some Muslims.

We have to deal with it and unless they join us fully properly then it makes dealing with these individuals difficult.

I agree stop the money.

They should be helping us for free not getting paid for it.

The results do not equal the cost.

We seem to have unwilling partners in this matter

- Patrick Mc Crossan, PATRICK'S OPINION LAMBETH LONDON, 19/07/2010 15:20
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The action necessary to protect us from terrorism is in doubt because they could upset moslems. Never mind, they will get over it - or punish us by leaving!

- Roy G, Solihull, England., 19/07/2010 14:11
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Check out International Freedom Alliance, coming soon.

- PeterR, London, 19/07/2010 13:44
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Hear hear - agree with above comments so far. If the Labour government hadn't allowed the influx of so many into the UK we wouldn't be having this discussed. Shut the door now and deport all or any who don't or won't live according to British customs etc.

- peter, Vienna, Austria, 19/07/2010 13:41
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All of the 3,000 new laws passed by Nu£ieBore between 1997 and 2010, were wholly designed to alienate and ostracise law-abiding peeps in the UK.

Social engineering by a gaggle of demented Marxists hell bent on turning the once proud Great Britain into a stinking bankrupt cesspit.

- Reuben Camara, Plot 1, Morecambe Compound, EUSSR, 19/07/2010 13:18
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For the greater part, Muslim communities alienate themselves! They do not seek to integrate in our community, are arriving here to live in our country by the hundreds of thousands, using the NHS, occupying council houses, taking benefits, having huge numbers of children who require schooling. Then they operate under their own rules quite frankly in breach of our societies civil and legal system - they subjugate and isolate women (who have no right to leave the house or learn English in many cases) and are building mosques faster than Tesco Metro are building shops. Then some of them commit horrific atrocities in the name of Islam against each other - not to mention the intentional and indiscriminate mass MURDERING involved in terrorist attacks. I don't see any of them coming out to protest or march against these murders as millions of UK people did in the 'Don't Attack Iraq' marches. Even the slaughter of halal meat animals doesn't fall within our legislation and yet London schools are now buying halal blanket for all children of all faiths. The Muslim religion is a hideous, exclusive, sexist, inhumane, and murderous one. This is a global problem and it needs to be addressed globally. I'm glad they feel alienated because so do me and all my friends. How do they suppose WE feel, losing our countries resources to their disgusting intolerant belief system and knowing they would soon as kill us? AS a western woman, I AM ACTIVELY BEING ALIENATED IN MY OWN COUNTRY!!!

- Real, Camden, 19/07/2010 13:04
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Muslims are alientating themselves from UK society. Just take a look at the 'ghettoes' around the country.

- David, London, UK, 19/07/2010 13:03
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