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Harmon is a bigot. When she keeps citing figures comparing apples to oranges and figures about the gap that inconveniently shrink the more factors you take into account she is clearly only out for power not justice or actual equality of opportunity. 9 out of 10 prisoners are men, how does she square this? More males commit suicide, drop out of higher education, are in trouble in grade schools and the rest, yet somehow she thinks only women have problems. If a man were so blinkered he would be called a misogynist, and so the label of extremist bigot for harmon fits. While she talks of universal principles, her actions only show she is out for only one side.

I'm just surprised the labour party keeps her around.

- fred, us, 10/10/2011 02:10
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"Men work longer hours, die earlier": That would be the male working class and their unlucky successors, Mr Raab - not, I suspect, the likes of the Tory MP for Esher.

The Happy Feminist

As a Labour Councillor my good working class comrades could never understand why I wasn't home at 5.30pm. That was because my middle class (boo, hiss) education left me one of those privileged enough to enter the professions and work from 8am till 9pm every night. The idea that those who work in 'the City' lead a semi active working life of long lunches and 'gentleman's hours' for which they are grotesquely overpaid leaps straight out of Mary Poppins. Presumably the Happy Feminst thinks we all wear bowler hats as well.

Thank god there men like Dominic Raab who are prepared to go in to bat for the kicked, belittled and unloved creature that is the British male and who are prepared to fight against the ill disguised misandry of many feminists.

- Hugh, London, UK, 14/03/2011 21:35
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I'm sorry, but it seems everyone has lost the plot here. Can we all stop hiding behind the facade of political polarisation and personal attacks and instead tackle the matter itself. I'm looking at you General Dennis, mainly because you've stirred up a lot of hornets.

First of all, this MP clearly does not understand what the meaning of feminism is in the 21st century; he's clearly confusing the modern, more-accepted model of Third Wave Feminism with the outdated (and more extreme) First Wave Feminism. It's all about equality; so don't generalise the term 'feminist' with the term 'bigot', you're only demonstrating your ignorance.
Secondly, true there are extremist feminists, just as there are extremist Christians and extremist Muslims and extremist Monster Raving Loony party members. An example on part does not make it the whole.
Finally may I refer you to the 'privilege-denying guy' meme. Please don't be ignorant of the issues that don't even personally affect you, such as the oppression of women.

That's my two cents, go spend them on whining.

- George Legg, Southampton University, UK, 09/02/2011 15:29
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Ronia - also, read my earlier posts from 25th Jan to see examples of how extremist feminism hurts men

- Peter182, London, UK, 26/01/2011 22:35
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Ronia. The question isn't whether equality of the sexes helps men and women. It does. If you read Raab's note, you'll see that he applauds shared parental leave. The issue that Raab and many UK citizens appear to support is that inequality in favour of either sex must, by definition, hurt the other. And that we have developed a system that now, through legislation, media and culture, actively discriminates against men and boys. And that the source of the inequity is extremist feminism ("the bigots")

Raab cogently rubbishes the extremist feminists who misquote facts to support their anti-male agenda, suppress real issues facing men due to their embedded misandry - and most of all - he takes issue with the fact that men's issues are chronically and endemically ignored in society.

He primarily quotes facts on the mistreatment of men in British society in his note. And interestingly, we still give a podium to individuals (note that I don't mean you) who want to try and shut him up. A female MP today said he needs to 'man up'. Imagine if a male politician told a female MP to stop being 'irrational'. He'd be removed from his seat. Such is the unfair society we live in today. And for that, we have the extremist feminists to blame. Who are unfortunately in positions of notable power at the moment. It is these bigots that Raab is arguing against.

- peter182, london, UK, 26/01/2011 22:31
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For those who think feminism hurts men, I'd like to point out the following:

Some complain that women take maternity leave and therefore are delayed in career progression so earn less. It's feminist policy to share maternity and paternity leave, which is good for men! They get to share in that time off, and spend more time with their children. In turn this levels the playing field for women in the jobs market.
Similarly, some here are complaining that men work longer hours. This is because it's considered 'manly' to provide for family. There's nothing wrong with that, but if some men would rather spend more time with family and work less hours, then it's only in their interest that a) their partners can achieve more in their careers and earn as much as them. Then it doesn't matter who stays home.
Similarly if more men felt that they could admit that they want to spend more time with kids, and it was acceptable in the workplace (something feminists campaign for, so that childcare isn't left to women) it would change the mindset that men can't look after kids and this would trickle through to family courts.

There are countless ways that feminism helps men!

- Ronia, London, 25/01/2011 16:40
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I have been raped twice before I was 15 years old, had a father that refused to acknowledge I was his daughter, watched my father hit and lie about my mother, had a husband that hit and lied about me and lost two unborn babies to a sexist workplace that doubled my work load and cut my team in half, sent me a bunch of flowers when I miscarried and then promptly did it again. I don't want my four year old daughter to go through what I have been through and feminism is the only political stance that addresses male violence towards women and children. When the other political parties do, I will vote for them - and to the men who seem so filled with hatred for women on this letters page, get back to your sexist violent gonzo porn like 95% of the rest of the male population boast about. You can tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps and even more by what he dreams about ...you guys are the closest thing to Nazism this country has yet produced.

- V Wharton, London, 25/01/2011 14:01
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Ref: Women carrying the brunt of poverty. Come and see the homeless and rough sleepers on our streets. The vast majority are male. Tell them that women are poorer. As for domestic violence 4 times as many young men take their own lives as women. Many do so due to punitive DV laws that refuse to recognize the abuse they have suffered and which has driven them to despair and destitution. The lefty feminists are largely made up of well off indviduals that can afford to send their children to private schools like Ms Harman did. You sould aubsititute Equality for Supremacy in her version of fairness.

- James Williams, Portsmouth. England, 25/01/2011 13:00
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If you ever have the misfortune of watching loose women you can see how Men are now often the targets of sexism by women. If this was a group of guys carrying on the way these women do then it would be taken off air!

- Paul Humphreys, Essex, 25/01/2011 11:44
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To Peter182 - calm down dear you're getting hysterical

- Dave, England, 25/01/2011 09:49
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Hallelujah! At last someone in the halls of power has the guts to stand up and defy political correctness!

Of course, Horrible Harriet Harman has to stick her beak into thing whinging about women earning 20% less than men. Perhaps instead of her blubbering whine, she should objectively investigate WHY! Two very big reasons:
1. Most women are physically incapable of performing the work of men (e.g., working in the mines, fisheries, etc.). Do feminists really believe that because of this, women are entitled to begin their working careers at middle management?
2. It is the women who take up to a year of maternity leave (with pay no less) for each child they have. When they leave the workforce for maternity leave, they are taking as break in service. Therefore, they do not have the same experience or length of service as men.

The fact is that the feminists are not seekiong "equality", but rather are demanding "preference"

- Frogeye, East Anglia, 25/01/2011 04:37
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In continuation of my previous post...
5. Under laws passed in 2010, judges must now take into consideration guidance that effectively says a woman should be treated less harshly than men for committing the same crime.
6. In the media - as anyone who watches TV or reads the paper will know - Men are consistently made to look feckless or stupid (cf. adverts like Feminax, Boots, or shows like 'take me out', 'tool academy'. Would equivalent broadcasts with gender role reversals ever be permitted?). Consider the hell that was reaped on Prof. Larry Summers for his tentative comments on women in mathematics (that ultimately led to him having to leave his job) - vs. the comments from Christine LaGarde, that 'women make better politicians than men' (without any facts) or Harriet Harman when asked for her opinions on men, famously saying 'there's not enough planes in the UK to fly them all out'. No issue was taken with those comments.

There will be the macho men amongst this group who may choose to deride being sensitive to such issues - But don't tell me that you think your son growing up in this environment is going to end up a better person

- Peter182, London, 25/01/2011 01:02
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I am so glad we are starting to see some MPs like Raab stand up and discuss the elephant in the room. There has been a raw deal for men for ages. Just consider the facts:
1. Pay - women get paid c.2% more than men in their 20s-30s (source: ONS). The aggregate 20% gap (which is 10% by other measures) is driven by lifestyle / family choices. Women also prefer more 'secure' jobs that pay less. Men that go to uni get paid more than women that do because of career choice. But more women go to uni, which drives the 2%. Though this leads to another issue, which is that men are being failed by the education system (e.g. in the early 90s, boys got better A-level grades than women - but then we changed the system to make it more female friendly)
2. In employment - companies can hire a woman over an equally qualified man to combat (apparently endemic) discrimination. But see point (1) above to decide whether there is a real issue here anymore. Anecdotally, none of my successful female friends have ever experienced career-based discrimination. And they work in male-dominated institutions like strategy consultancies, investment banks, law firms
3. Domestic violence - men are the victims of 40% of REPORTED domestic violence cases.
3. In the law - the government is piloting 'go orders' which permit a woman to have police evict a man from his home if she accuses him (without evidence) of having hit her. No opposite option for men

- Peter182, London, 25/01/2011 00:50
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Denis.Have you had lot of rejection from females
- bazza, London, 24/01/2011 13:25

Hahahahaha! Are you actually serious?! :-D Why is it that people say things like this? It's absurd!

- MS, London, 24/01/2011 23:44
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He’s right. Men are made to look stupid nowadays. There is a certain breed of very unfeminine, sarcastic , argumnentative and quite bitchy type of woman around nowadays that enjoys belittling not only men but other women too. Weve all had deallings with it at work or maybe a supplier, they are usualy found in PR .

- Mark, Leatherhead, Surrey, 24/01/2011 22:11
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@ Michael

The type of dynamic you are describing is a direct result of what the misconceived idea of feminism is. Women fitting into a traditionally patriarchal set up is not an act of successful feminism, however that is not to say women who CAN should be criticised by other women - they are highly educated, hard working, and can cope with the psychological demands. Many men and women can't hack city life or a political career, it's fraught with pressures.

But we have to address the fact our working systems were originally designed by and for men who had wives at home who couldn't vote, had no money of their own, and 'kept house'. Those men had the freedom to wake up to a freshly run bath, a hearty breakfast, clean ironed shirts. Then they went all day and did things with other men who were identical in upbringing and culture. They weren't expected to spend time with their children or make leisure time with their wives. A man couldn't even gain good employment unless he was married and as we know, god forbid if he was gay.

Now, BOTH men and women have different needs. The traditional way of working ISN'T working for many men and women. As Germaine Greer has famously said, nowadays everybody needs a wife. Life is very hard on all of us but it really is even more so for women who work in the originally patriarchally arranged work systems amongst often very demeaning men (as we see reported here and in some of the comments).

- We're being brainwashed, Camden Taaahn innit, 24/01/2011 18:51
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All these postings remind me of the difference between Iron Man And Iron Woman.
For those that don't know, Iron Man is a super hero, whilst Iron Woman is just a simple instruction.
But which ever way you look at it, everyone should be treated with respect, irespective of gender or anything else. That is what appears to have been lost by the me me me generation. (i.e. I've got to be better than you or anybody else.)

- alan, carlisle uk, 24/01/2011 17:53
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Most people will have noticed that it is always the man who is made to look stupid on TV adverts, never the woman ?

The same goes for many sitcoms.

Why do womens' feelings always need defending ? Because they are so sensitive.

- Michael, London, UK, 24/01/2011 17:37
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Margaret Thatcher is a deity! Wow! So 'the city' either demeans women beyond all belief or puts them up in the clouds as gods? Interesting....

I do not pertain to occupy any more of the world than the bit my physical body takes up and the bit I pay rent for. But then again I don't have designs on invasions, dominance, battery, robbery, misappropration, greed, or any other type of selfishness. Unlike someone who pertains to speak for 'the city'.

- We're being brainwashed, Camden Taaahn innit, 24/01/2011 17:34
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Every time women tell the truth about what men have done to this planet, they are liabled. It is not women who are the problem, but men. Simply look at the world and admit this.

- sam, Manhattan, USA, 24/01/2011 17:33
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Women didn't invent the system that causes that.

- The Happy Feminist, London, 24/01/2011 16:37

So that makes it OK then does it? Seems to me you only support equality when it suits you and you benefit. Another Im alright jack s*d everybody else.

- Chris, Rochester, 24/01/2011 17:28
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Women I know who are successful in say the City resent other women whinging about not being treated equally. They rightly say it spoils the market for successful women.

If women were/are equal they would not need to be short listed for promotion, they would asert themselves and get the good positions.

Employers in the City are wary of women who claim compensation whenever their sensitive feelings are "upset". The high flying women suppott this attitude.

- Michael, London, UK, 24/01/2011 17:28
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In my opinion; there are very many happily married people in the UK, that do not play around, although there are some that do; this did not apply to our partners from two different places and races, in our case etc; which is nice, don’t you think?

- mickinlondon., london, 24/01/2011 16:46

what the hell is wrong with you Mick, can you not help putting words into other people's mouths?

maybe the voices in your head, made you imagine a deeper conversation, but Angelo spoke to nothing on this subject (and rightly so).

- Scotty, London, 24/01/2011 17:15
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".. looks like he married his own sister."
- The Happy Feminist, London

Speaks volumes about what makes feminists happy.

- Frank, Home Counties, England., 24/01/2011 17:13
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The political stance and behaviour of Margaret Thatcher is not admirable behaviour in a woman and certainly not in a man. Had she any clue of what real feminism is, she could have been a great political leader of our times as opposed to despised by most of the country.

- We're being brainwashed, Camden Taaahn innit, 24/01/2011 16:37

how little the world you inhabit must surely be, if you don't think a thrice elected prime minister didn't enjoy widespread popularity.

She's still a deity in the city, and in the large tracts of the conservative community.

small thinking like that, puts the minor in minority.

- Scotty, London, 24/01/2011 17:12
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Wa-hey!! One for the boys. If this guy likes wearing his liver on the inside he's in for a shock.

- Steve, Brentford, 24/01/2011 17:08
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Also in my opinion: It is a weak man that fears a woman’s equality, Scotty.

- mickinlondon., london, 24/01/2011 14:01

that's fine Mick, and when you find someone saying that let me know. otherwise, its a very weak man who resorts to fairy stories and make believe.

- Scotty, London, 24/01/2011 16:58
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Two blooming right, as a white heterosexual male, with no kids I don't get jack from anyone, and pay through the nose for it.

- John Hardon, Watford Herts, 24/01/2011 16:52
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Trouble is with most MPs they are not part of the real world. Is he not aware that a large proportion of our population is Muslim. It is the opinion of many famous Muslin writers that wearing the burka is a form of treating women as second class citizens. Yet the party to which this man belongs refused to outlaw it.

- Alan ., England., 24/01/2011 16:52
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SO SORRY guys if you feel hard done by but you white middle class men DO murder on average 2 of us women per week, and 1.6 children per week, and rape thousands of women & children per week. You still earn the most money, have the best jobs, and the most control over the world we live in. FACTS. Hope you feel a bit more cheered up?

- We're being brainwashed, Camden Taaahn innit, 24/01/2011 13:48

I don't think hysterical ravings do your argument any good at all.

there is a sensible argument to be had here, though probably not with you.

- Scotty, London, 24/01/2011 16:51
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Mickinlondon,

'sweeping generalisations' as you describe them are sometimes quite correct in their conclusions.

- Anglo, Sussex England,

Another sweeping generalisation, Anglo.

Just as: All blacks are muggers and drug dealers, all Irish and Muslims are bomb throwers and terrorists, all French and Italian men are the world’s greatest lovers, all Englishmen wear bowler hats and have umbrellas and carry sandwiches in their briefcases etc?

I personally find generalisations are normally far from the real mark, and remain just ones personal opinion based on a sweeping generalisation etc.

There is another world out there, Anglo, which is no based on what you see on TV, or read in the press etc.

In my opinion; there are very many happily married people in the UK, that do not play around, although there are some that do; this did not apply to our partners from two different places and races, in our case etc; which is nice, don’t you think?

- mickinlondon., london, 24/01/2011 16:46
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Rowland mentioning the washing up could not possibly cheapen the debate any more than your pathetic sexist utterances.

- Martin, Penzance, 24/01/2011 16:43
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"Men work longer hours, die earlier": That would be the male working class and their unlucky successors, Mr Raab - not, I suspect, the likes of the Tory MP for Esher. And women didn't invent the system that causes that. Tough-talking drivel from a chap who can't credibly be called oppressed and (from the picture) looks like he married his own sister.

- The Happy Feminist, London, 24/01/2011 16:37
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@ Rowland

Clearly you have set out to be childish and provocative, however setting that aside you have unwittingly identified one of the biggest misconceptions of what feminism is.

Margaret Thatcher aped the very worst traits of male political behaviour. That left her one of the most hated women in our country's entire history. In fact, when women point out that females are generally less sociopathic than men, her name comes up second only after Myra Hindley's.

Mimicking abusive or power tripping dominant traits of male behaviour is not feminism, it is the exact opposite of it in fact.

I am glad to hear you think people should hold doors open for each other, so do I. I hold the door open for whomsoever is behind me irregardless of age, gender, or race. I think it is considerate and mannerly for any human being not to leave a door to smack in someone's face. I find it as equally offensive if a woman leaves the door to bash me as I do if a man does. I would also expect a woman to do washing up as often as a man unless there has been some prior agreement with regard to the division of labour. That is equality.

The political stance and behaviour of Margaret Thatcher is not admirable behaviour in a woman and certainly not in a man. Had she any clue of what real feminism is, she could have been a great political leader of our times as opposed to despised by most of the country.

- We're being brainwashed, Camden Taaahn innit, 24/01/2011 16:37
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too much PC 'lets suck up to the MINORITY' here...i think public opinion speaks for itself...its just a shame that the minority are the only ones able (legally or otherwise) to put it in print...

- Richard, London, 24/01/2011 16:19
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Mickinlondon,

'sweeping generalisations' as you describe them are sometimes quite correct in their conclusions.

- Anglo, Sussex England, 24/01/2011 16:02
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The manner in which certain contributors to this thread have referred to women in no other terms than 'accessories' or 'products to be shopped for' (apparently in other countries) simply illuminates the level of open sexism that *some* men don't even realise is a problem.

As Frank has stated 'positive discrimination' is not equality. Equality is equality and women in the western world have made substantial advances with regard to gaining legal equality. What still remains is for women to gain actual social, financial, and political parity and influence ON THEIR OWN TERMS not by attempting to play a disadvantaged war game of the mens rules. This is clearly a situation that will shift slowly, possibly that will take time, generations, but IT WILL HAPPEN.

It is unfortunate our country has been somewhat setback in the advancement of women by the mass immigration of people from cultures where womens lives are considered less valuable than a gun, a camel, a car, or a plot of land. However, global confrontation of bigotry and sexism is also a necessary part of recovery from this dire current situation.

Feminism is not a dirty word. I hope all men who cannot see this fact can at least consider if they had daughters would they not demand those girls grow up in a world where they are treated as having equal capability and rights? Mr Raab is offensive and ignorant, I feel sorry for his wife. As for 'Loose Women', that show is an insult to most women and not the female standard.

- We're being brainwashed, Camden Taaahn innit, 24/01/2011 15:59
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There`s an awful lot of rubbish about women being the equal of men . . . . the fact is, they just aint.
One woman has worked her way to the top job in the country - Margaret Thatcher.
She clearly knew the calibre of staff that she wanted around her and picked the best available . . . hardly a women to be seen.
Sure, some women rise above the rest of their gender, but grit, determination, hard work and courage are mainly male attributes. Sadly, girls, that`s why you`ll always come second on the work stage.
Instead of constantly whining about it women should accept their place in the natural order of things and be flattered that a man will hold the door open for them.


I was tempted to mention getting on with the washing up but thought that would cheapen the debate.

- Rowland, Kingston up the Thames, 24/01/2011 15:57
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So this chap has told the truth and people complain about it. And lets face it, it is the truth. Discrimination goes on every day and everywhere. There are some things that men can do more easily and there are some things that women can do more easily. It only becomes a problem when men say anything about it.

- Bob, London, 24/01/2011 15:57
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...Dominic Raab, 37, argued in favour of more family-friendly policies to replace Labour's "outdated and obsolete equality and diversity agenda"...

Sorry, Mr Raab, either you're being disingenuous (dishonest?) or displaying alarming ignorance for one in a position of public responsibility. Current EO legislation isn't a Labour agenda, but exists to comply with EU requirements - and, whilst we still don't live in anything like a perfect world, life is so much better and more civilised - thanks to legislation and altered attitudes - than it was 40 years ago when I was entering the employment market.

- sallyp, London, 24/01/2011 15:49
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I suppose Frank Home Counties you pride yourself in being a right wing sexist bigot. Its you that that is out of touch with the real world but judging by some of the ES comments youre not the only one.

- Martin, Penzance, 24/01/2011 14:56
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Look no further than the "Loose Women" programme, if men made similar remarks about women "the sisters" would be wetting their knickers!

- J W, Epsom Surrey, 24/01/2011 14:49
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dhan raj, basildon, until recently I thought you might have been making some deeper points - but your simply making trouble. Your style of comment is lazy, ineffectual and worthless. When you remonstrate that “....largely because of these kind of Tory bigots who are so out of touch with the real world...” you show yourself up to be superficial and uninformed. There is nothing bigoted in the article or the comments that the MP makes – unlike your disparaging and offensive poppycock. This displays you as being flagrantly discriminatory yourself in a most malicious manner.

You regularly demonstrate a deep and emotional extreme dislike directed against a particular group of people where your writings disparage that group of people based on their political attitudes. Not very good way to win an argument about discrimination is it?

- a reasonable person, london, 24/01/2011 14:48
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Do you think he has a penis problem and blames the woman and not himself.

- Mike Melbourne, Bedford, 24/01/2011 14:36
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*Dennis,N London

I should imagine if David Cameron started spouting this neanderthal rubbish to his wife, she would very quickly hand him a nappy and drag him back into the 21st century.

- Val Daniels, Mijas Costa Spain, 24/01/2011 14:33
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Friend of Lord Strathclyde no doubt......
Why don't these people think before they open their mouths and show their incredible ignorance.Women are discriminated against all the time in terms of pay, equal rights, as victims of abuse.The hardest time for most women even those of us who managed who to forge successful careers is the dilemna when we become Mothers should we sacrifice our place in the workplace that nearly always prefers the younger woman and put our reliance on a man to play fair sharing income etc. Women make a huge sacrifice for motherhood and motherhood is the most underrated and devalued role in our society.When Choosing out MPs we should maybe test their understanding of this and gender politics generally.Terribly sad that this is such an ignorant MP.

- mpc, london, 24/01/2011 14:31
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"Either you believe in equality or you don't."

Oh so true and the likes of Harpy Harman had no interest in equality.

Kate Green's remark shows how out of touch Labour still are with people.

Positive discrimination does not equality make.

- Frank, Home Counties, England., 24/01/2011 14:17
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So apart from a career move, I cannot see why this MP is seeking to provoke...He fuelled the flames on something that will never get truly resolved, Male dominance in society won't change & crying about the 'Raw deal' only reflects what been happening thru the ages. This debate is too wide ranging to narrow down, thats why most changes in the laws etc. reflects this.
Well he got his 5mins of fame, I'm sure the Senior levels above have heard him & ticking those boxes thinking mmmm he could help out in our public Communications office...Oh of course we also await Our PM Cameron to back him, just Mr Coulson...lol

- Jamie, London, England, 24/01/2011 14:11
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Men get the raw deal from earning 15% more than women? Men get the raw deal from monopolising politics so that women do not have equal democratic representation? Men get the raw deal from dominating boardrooms & hiring in their image - ie other men - at the expense of equally well qualifed women? Men get the raw deal from the government cuts programme which penalise women as far more work in the public sector, more are carers for infirm relatives, more are the primary carers for chidlren from whom £6 billion has been cut from funds that provide direct support.

Why on earth does his wife put up with his self-pitying nonsense?

- Giustina, London, 24/01/2011 14:03
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Mick, you are as weird and creepy as ever. good times.

Raab will certainly find an audience for those views, but perhaps the question might be better asked is whether affirmative action still has a place in 21st century?

- Scotty, London,

I assume you mean me, Scotty.

And yes Dominic Raab would find an audience with his views; mostly in Islamic countries in my opinion, if not yours?

Also in my opinion: It is a weak man that fears a woman’s equality, Scotty.

- mickinlondon., london, 24/01/2011 14:01
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Denis.Have you had lot of rejection from females

- bazza, Lodon,

A very valid point; Bazza.

My daughters would soon boot him out if they ever met him..........LOL.

- mickinlondon., london, 24/01/2011 13:53
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Dominic Raab is probably right. As long ago as 1971 an Indian girl said to me.

"Is it right that English women are selfish with their husbands and do not care for them properly?" Without even thinking about it I said "you bet" and, and shortly afterwards married the same Indian girl. She was not brought up in the UK so she had not been wrecked by our values.

Best thing I ever did. English girls cannot compare.

- Anglo, Sussex England,

A sweeping generalisation on your part, Anglo; I am happy that you are happy with your wife; but my wife was a London girl, and she was a real diamond to me, till the day she died.

I could say that even in India, many women are not perfect, being born and bought up in India; but that would be unfair, as I know few Indian women etc, instead I would say that a good woman is a good woman, and a bad woman is a bad woman, no-matter where they were born or bought up etc; much like men in fact, lots of men are far from perfect, Anglo; but then only a woman would think that; if she got a bad man, don’t you think?.

You love your Indian; I loved my London Girl till she passed away; its that simple Anglo.

- mickinlondon., london, 24/01/2011 13:50
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As a leftie I would just like to say I don't believe in positive discrimination,best man for the job that's what I say,sorry or woman

- bazza, London, 24/01/2011 13:48
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White western middle class men and the old boy network dominate the finances, politics, media, and resources of our world. And what a frankly disgusting job they do of it.

WOMEN and children and all persons of ethnic minority get a raw deal from our patriarchal white man world.

These men dictate our life situations, the world we see around us is created mainly by them, for them. Most psychopaths / sociopathic people are white middle class men - not only do they have the upper hand in every area of life, they are more likely to kill you if you are their wife, girlfriend, child, or sibling. Then they are more likely to get off with that murder in court than a woman in the same circumstances - the average man serves 18 months for the 'manslaughter' of a relative, the average woman serves 11 years for the same offence. A man is hundreds of thousands times more likely to rape a woman, rape a child, be a paedophile, commit an armed offence, act in extreme violence, deal drugs, steal a vehicle, hit & run, burgle your house, pimp out women, start a war over non-existent WMD. And those same demographic men who do those things are also the ones who seek out positions of authority - police men, soldiers, teachers, priests, politicians, financial managers, psychiatrists, you name it...

SO SORRY guys if you feel hard done by but you white middle class men DO murder on average 2 of us women per week, and 1.6 children per week, and rape thousands of women & children per week. You still earn the most money, have the best jobs, and the most control over the world we live in. FACTS. Hope you feel a bit more cheered up?

- We're being brainwashed, Camden Taaahn innit, 24/01/2011 13:48
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Where do they get these Tory MPs from? The man should be sectioned.Stats show that women get a raw deal, and its largely because of these kind of Tory bigots who are so out of touch with the real world.
Dominic should get himself a job on the Councils Refuse Collection and see how the real world works.

- dhan raj, basildon, 24/01/2011 13:44
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Mick, you are as weird and creepy as ever. good times.

Raab will certainly find an audience for those views, but perhaps the question might be better asked is whether affirmative action still has a place in 21st century?

- Scotty, London, 24/01/2011 13:34
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The fact is that ther are inequalities in all cultures and all parts of the world. Thes inequalities apply to both men and women. It isn't right to prevent a woman from succeeding just because she is a woman. Equally in many divorce, and especially those cases involving children the man is treated as the guilty party and loses his children even when its the wife who has commited adultary or has had her lover move into their home.
Something that is wrong, is wrong, its got nothing to do with male or female, just fairness and decency. But as we all know the law is not about fairness and decency is dependent on the people involved, so don't hold your breath for that to change.

- Dave, Hatfield, 24/01/2011 13:32
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Brave man just hope he can cope with Harriet the Harridan etc etc yapping away at his heels.

- Tel:, Chelmsford:, 24/01/2011 13:32
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The man has more than a touch of reality in some of his comments. There is both good and bad in the gender equality argument and the idea that it is the province of the ‘left’ is laughable. I know many sensible women that are in favour of all this and almost as many that are not.

- a reasonable person, london, 24/01/2011 13:31
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Hard to argue with anything he said. As for the labour numpty at the end, to say "the Tories are ... not a family-friendly party." is a bit rich coming from a Labour MP.

- ST, London, 24/01/2011 13:28
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He raises a valid point, if expressed rather poorly; the issues that Har-person raises about unequal pay etc cannot and should not be enforced through positive discrimination legislation. As for domestic violence, I fail to see how that very important issue is an example of sexism - it is abuse and a crime, irrespective of gender.

- Peter J, Canterbury, Kent, 24/01/2011 13:28
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Denis.Have you had lot of rejection from females

- bazza, Lodon, 24/01/2011 13:25
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Dominic Raab is probably right. As long ago as 1971 an Indian girl said to me.

"Is it right that English women are selfish with their husbands and do not care for them properly?" Without even thinking about it I said "you bet" and, and shortly afterwards married the same Indian girl. She was not brought up in the UK so she had not been wrecked by our values.

Best thing I ever did. English girls cannot compare.

- Anglo, Sussex England, 24/01/2011 13:19
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I can just imagine all the woman lineing up to vote Conservative next election.

- dave, london, 24/01/2011 13:08
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On the contrary, lefties, this man is firmly in touch with public opinion. We are sick of your Marxist political correctness and the prejudice and anger that your positive discrimination breeds. The Tories need far more of this. Someone tell Cameron.

- Dennis, N London,

Tell that to your Mother; Dennis.

Or is she a righty like you?

- mickinlondon., london, 24/01/2011 12:56
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Quote: A Tory MP today said feminists were "obnoxious bigots" and claimed that men were getting a "raw deal" as a result.

Tell that to Emmeline Pankhurst; Mr Dominic Raab.

Your lot had centuries of giving others raw deals, with your bigotry [all women included] so its pay-back-time now, Dominic.

Get used to it ok.

- mickinlondon., london, 24/01/2011 12:51
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On the contrary, lefties, this man is firmly in touch with public opinion. We are sick of your Marxist political correctness and the prejudice and anger that your positive discrimination breeds. The Tories need far more of this. Someone tell Cameron.

- Dennis, N London, 24/01/2011 12:48
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Poor lad. All that testosterone pumping round his veins is making him lose his hair.

- Charles, Kennington, 24/01/2011 12:47
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Should not of encouraged voters to accept the Lisbon Treaty, that has made every person in Britain nee 12 Regions of EUSuperstate 2nd Class Citizens.

- Bill, Burgess Hill, 24/01/2011 12:39
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